Message #1345 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 21:00:30 From: Rich Koster To: Rick Lee Subj: re: Toaster3.0/2000 Hi Rick! On Tuesday, November 16th '93 you wrote to me: RL> Hey Rich, I run Toaster 3.0 on a 2000. What kind of questions do RL> you have? Thanks for the help, but I was just trying to help someone else who posted here with questions about that kind of a setup. I have a Toaster 4000 running in an Amiga 4000. RL> Do you do a;lot of video work? Over 40 hours a week! ;-) --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1346 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 13:39:30 From: Bill Evans To: Bill Beogelein Subj: Re: Bill Beogelein's Toaster Re: Re: Bill Beogelein's Toaster Problems > DP> You're right, #3 & #4 won't work - the 3.0 and T4000 software have a > DP> couple of differences in files (ie, switcher.main are different sizes) > DP> that each board looks for. > I guess the question is, what would happen if this was tried? Lock-up? Just > few features NOT working? "Toaster can't genlock" requester? The screen never comes up, some of the messages I saw were Toaster can't genlock etc, also got green screen as well, I was trying to save some time on installing two systems and basically got a bunch of problems when trying to run 4000 software on an old board. > Nope, no printer. (Has this been officially documented? Has NewTek been > informed? Is a fix planned? Why would a turn-off-printer on the par:port ha > any effect at all on a *VIDEO* board?) As I've said before on the Video echo, the Video slot is basically the sound More? [Y/n/c] ports, the parallel port and the 23 pin video rolled into one, so if something is strange with your parallel port (or the toaster thinks it's strange) their can be problems, actually several video boards show this in one form or another, it's just more prevalent on the Toaster -bill --- VFIDO 6.10.03 * Origin: NASAU Beach CBIS (1:373/17) Message Command: Message #1347 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 08:30:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Ralph Garamozian Subj: Lightwave Speed Up Tips RG>I have tried everything I can think of to reduce the rendering time -- m RG>faces, fewer faces, image maps, fractal noise, bigger objects, smaller RG>objects, nada works. No matter what I try, the render time stays pretty RG>constant at around 17 to 22 minutes. Well, the first thing I would check is your light source. It should be set to spot and it you should have shadow map enabled. If not, what you get is ray traced shadows, terribly time consuming to render. This is Lwave's default and you have to manually switch it to Spot/Shadow Map. * Wave Rider 0.40 Beta * ... visions of Elvis torment me --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1348 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Sun 14 Nov 93 9:38 From: Nancy Kowall To: Scott Marlowe Subj: re: Toaster/PC SM> My point is that the Toaster is NOT mass marketed for a reason. It's SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user. I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has geared their sales to the average user rather than the 'professional'. There are a lot of 'Mom and Pop' video/computer enthusiasts who are enchanted with the idea of manipulating their own videos and many, I think, would eventually even gravitate toward LightWave and 3D animation. Average people ARE hungry for this stuff. Some company still needs to hit the right marketing techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video purchases" and THEN they'll strike gold... --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1349 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 13 Nov 93 12:35:00 From: Dan Mccoy To: Chris Baugh Subj: RE: B5 on CD? > There's been some discussion here lately about the Syndesis CD-ROM > and third-party "clip objects." My question for y'all: > > IF you could get a CD-ROM with the original objects and scenes from > Babylon 5 (through some kind of licensing w/Foundation Imaging), > would you buy it? For how much? Having bought Syndesis' first 3D-ROM, I'd most certainly buy the next, especially if it had the above objects and/or objects from other shows like seaQuest and such. Price? If price were an object to the fun I have using the Amiga and the Toaster as a HOBBY, I wouldn't be doing this as a HOBBY. :) > If they were to ask for a license to use their designs for profit, > how much would it be worth to you to be able to fly your client's > logo into docking bay 5? More? [Y/n/c] Again, since I do this as a hobby, a license fee doesn't affect me. I'd be more interested in seeing the technics used in the object and scene creations. If one day I decide to do this for a living, I'd probably use this information in creating my own objects though just to see if I could do it. :) Have fun, Dan --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | I can resist everything except temptation. --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1350 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 14:03 From: Jeff Dehaven To: Oscar Castillo Subj: Re: Toaster ?s You got a PAL amiga eh? Hmmm- It must be an older one then- because with the 2.0 Roms you can switch your displaymode via Prefs and your monitor list- If you do not allready have the 2.0 (or 2.1) upgrade kit, I would strongly recommend it to allow the toaster to function properly. The toaster is pretty touchy about these things- for instance, if switcher is loaded in the background and your running some program that opens up an overscan screen- your framebuffers will wig out (nice technical description eh?). The toaster definately needs to be in NTSC mode as that is all it deals with. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1351 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 22:00 From: Oscar Castillo To: Gregg Mercede Subj: Re: Amiga Check out what Gregg Mercede wrote on 21 Oct 93 16:27:24: GM> IBM has GM> also developed and it is now shipping with OS/2 2.1, full motion 30 GM> frames per second video with NO hardware necessary!!!! I think you are misleading the public with a statement such as that. Full motion video at 30 frames can be done on many computers. The difference is the resolution and amount of colors. A 256 color 160x100 screen can be considered full motion video. As a user of both Amiga, and IBM compatibles, the only way I've found to get 30 frames a sec at a modest resolution was to add harware. Even through hardware, such as the Indeo, you'll need a 486dx2-66 for 30fps at just 320x240 pixels. Even on a Pentium, once you go higher than 320x240, to 640x480, you get 20fps, on DX2-66 you get only 10fps at the same resolution. --- DLG Pro v0.999/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: ChEaPo StUdIoS! (908)-566-7052 -KoOkIE LiVeS!! (1:107/658) Message Command: Message #1352 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 15:44:12 From: Gregg Mercede To: Chris Baugh Subj: Toaster/PC CB> On (11 Nov 93) Gregg Mercede wrote to Chris Baugh... GM> I hate to say it, but my guess would be that at least 85% of PC Users GM> would investigate PC hardware to work with their already running PC, CB> Sure; that explains Newtek's much-discussed marketing of the "Video CB> Toaster workstation" for the Mac: a "peripheral" that happened to CB> include a complete Amiga computer under the Newtek logo (remember CB> the discussions about this approach? ). I suppose they might as CB> well offer a Toaster for the pc one of these days using the same CB> approach; software comparable to ToasterLink for the Mac could run CB> very well under os/2 or Win/NT. Since NT supports multiprocessing, CB> they could even have a ScreamerLink for NT-based PC's that had the CB> PC do some of the rendering along with the Screamer. CB> This isn't a suggestion or prediction, just some comments. More? [Y/n/c] I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac. GM --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: OS/2 Brings DOS sales to its knees! (1:141/270) Message Command: Message #1353 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 22:50:05 From: Dave Wells To: Sam Kanter Subj: Panasonic Video Mixers used a *** Quoting Sam Kanter to Dave Wells dated 11-15-93 *** > Let's not forget Panasonic's series of video mixers (WJ-AVE-5, WJM-30, > WJM-50) that will also synchronise the Toaster's outputs. These are not > TBCs, but will do an excellent job... I have both the Panasonic MX-10 and MX-12 mixers. They are great for what they are, but they do not have full-blown TBCs and they won't do the same job. The AVE-5 is in the same boat. I haven't checked out the MX-30 or MX-50, but unless they have significantly improved the "TBC"s in them, they won't do the whole job. I agree, they are great tools. But for a Toaster, I'd still recommend a dedicated purpose full-blown TBC. It will show up in the quality of your finished product. --- T.A.G. 2.6f2a Beta * Origin: The Music Connection (1:106/1000) Message Command: Message #1354 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 22:55:18 From: Dave Wells To: Ron Kramer Subj: Full frame TBCs without sync *** Quoting Ron Kramer to Dave Wells dated 11-15-93 *** > fine as they were full frame units. The V5000s TBC didn`t accept sync > reference either. But it did have the memory to store a full frame of > video, thus making it compatible with the toaster. > > How did you syncronize multiple sources? Or were you using just one V5000 and no other inputs? --- T.A.G. 2.6f2a Beta * Origin: The Music Connection (1:106/1000) Message Command: Message #1355 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 22:59:02 From: Dave Wells To: Chris Baugh Subj: Toaster/PC *** Quoting Chris Baugh to Gregg Mercede dated 11-15-93 *** > the discussions about this approach? ). I suppose they might as > well offer a Toaster for the pc one of these days using the same > approach; software comparable to ToasterLink for the Mac could run They already have done so. But I'm not sure they ever got it to work past the advertising and demo tape stage. --- T.A.G. 2.6f2a Beta * Origin: The Music Connection (1:106/1000) Message Command: Message #1356 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 16 Nov 93 15:45:13 From: Rick Lee To: Rich Koster Subj: Toaster3.0/2000 Hey Rich, I run Toaster 3.0 on a 2000. What kind of questions do you have? I use it in a professional environment along with scads of other software. Recently purchased a PIV-2001 editing system to interface with the Toaster. I'm evaluating it now and will post my opinions. Do you do a;lot of video work? --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26) Message Command: Message #1357 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 16 Nov 93 13:07:56 From: Sam Kanter To: Rich Koster Subj: Re: 3.0 >Amiga 2000s running Toaster 3.0? I don't know. Anyone here have that >set up? I've got the Toaster 4000 in my Amiga 4000, so sorry, I can't I'm running 3.0 in a 2000 with GVP 33mHZ 040 accelerator. Except for a few minor problems with background colors, it works fine... --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1358 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 06:37:05 From: Rich Koster To: James Hastings-Trew Subj: re: Football Helmet Object Hi James! On Sunday, November 14th '93 you wrote to me: JHT> If it was an Imagine object, Yes, it was. JHT> be aware that Pixel 3D does not support Imagine's object hierarcy. I didn't know what this meant before. I only thought it meant that it would import the parent/child objects as one object. JHT> You'll only get the base object, but none of the child objects JHT> showing up in the program. More? [Y/n/c] Thanks for filling me in about this. It works this way in the current version of the program, Pixel 3D Pro, too? JHT> If you want a good object converter, I suggest you look at JHT> Interchange from Syndesis. Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it, James. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1359 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 06:39:03 From: Rich Koster To: Sam Kanter Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE Hi Sam! On Monday, November 15th '93 you wrote to me: SK> OK, hows this: I'll sell my original 3.0 software and manual, and then SK> (of course) -destroy- my backup, and go back to using the 2.0 software. SK> Does that sound reasonable? Not if you mean that you got the 3.0 software as an upgrade. When you upgrade you do not "own" two different copies of any piece of software, IMHO. Now, if you had bought two versions of the 3.0 software and had sold one, then IMHO that would be okay. But I'm not a lawyer, remember. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1360 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 06:47:19 From: Rich Koster To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec Hi Dan! On Tuesday, November 16th '93 you wrote to me: DB> That's the point I was trying to make, since the facemask was DB> probably the parent group that was the only group that loaded. DB> If you loaded the object into Imagine you would see the child DB> objects. I feel like Homer Simpson: "Duh-OH!" ;-) But I understand now... DB> Oh well it doesn't matter since you got a LW helmet anyway. Let me DB> know if you get any info on the price for the upgrade. There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75 plus $5 for shipping. More? [Y/n/c] Then they told me that starting in January there will be another upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for shipping. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1361 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 12:08:56 From: Jeff Lindstrom To: Jim Selleck Subj: Rendering speed > Is there an aftermarket 040 processor card for the A4000 that will operate > at a reasonable SPEED??? Or do I have to have TWO Toaster 4000's in > operation like Lee??? Check with RCS (Toronto, CA, as I recall). They were designing a 4000-specific accelerator with a 40 MHz 68040. One concern is memory access speed. Be sure to check on that. --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Universal Electronics Inc 714 939-1041 (1:103/208) Message Command: Message #1362 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 16 Nov 93 08:56:00 From: Ken Bouchard To: Ron Kramer Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T That's OK, I think I have found it anyhow. PC-TV can be had for $99.00 in a recent ad. While this is not directly a capture board, it comes with software to capture a frame in realtime. And since it accepts external video that kinda makes it a capture board, as well as just being a pop up TV set! If I don't like their software can just load most any TSR capture sw. Thanks.. --- RoboBOARD/FX 1.00e * Origin: (1:328/102) Message Command: Message #1363 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 17 Nov 93 17:06:42 From: Ron Kramer To: Bob Lindabury Subj: 3D-Studio Objects For Lightwa BL> The NEW Graphics BBS "It's better than a sharp stick BL> in the eye!" Andy Meyer BL> 908/469-0049 * 14400 Baud Lines * Free FidoNet/UseNet Bob, its fine to let others know about your bbs, but its against echo rules to have a banner such as this above. National echomail rules allow for ONE tag line at the end of your messages. BL> * Origin: The NEW Graphics BBS +1 908/469-0049 (1:107/320) And this is it. Please remove any repetitive banner, thanks More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1364 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 14 Nov 93 08:19:00 From: Mark Warren To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT *In a message dated 29 Oct 93 15:25:24 Sam Kanter writes: SK> This is exactly what I said. And since I, and I would think a large SK> portion of Toaster users are using S-VHS and Hi-8 formats, the SK> Toaster unneccesarily degrades the image quality considerable. SK> SK> Newtek has always stonewalled this important issue claiming that all SK> this is not relevant. Sam, Please fogive my 'Butting-in' here, but I think you are in error. I do not believe that there is a large portion using S-Video. I believe that Toaster users cover a gamut of tape formats. With our urban setting, as a dealer I see just as many people using the Toaster in 3/4, 1" and Beta suites as I do with S-Video. Especially for those using composite, why More? [Y/n/c] should they pay for a feature they will not need? That's kind of like adding one, two, or three TBC's to each Toaster, just for those who don't already have them, wasting other people's money who have built-in TBC's in their VTR's. To me, it makes sense to make equiping your Toaster for Y/C as a seperate add-on - *if you need it*. I don't see any grounds for the remark that NewTek is "stonewalling this important issue." NewTek dealer & user, - Mark *FSED91jSC 1.3d* > Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: NOVA/CAUG Support/16.8 DS/615-472-9748 (1:362/508.0) Message Command: Message #1365 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 14 Nov 93 08:32:00 From: Mark Warren To: James Hastings-Trew Subj: Re: SAY IT! *In a message dated Thu 28 Oct 93 23:41 James Hastings-Trew writes: JH> What you were trying to say was lost on me because it was as vauge JH> as smoke. The Video Toaster represents a major leap in the ability JH> of small production shows (like Limbaugh) to add some spice to their JH> product without going broke. This is a good thing. Just because you JH> disagree with the message in a knee-jerk liberal fashion does not JH> mean that the use of the Toaster by Rush's production staff should JH> not be noted and aplauded. This is the type of use of the Toaster JH> that should inspire young people of whatever political persuasion to JH> see that the production of a popular show such as Rush Limbaugh's is JH> not beyond their own means, economically, or creatively. JH> JH> In closing, I'd like to say that if Liberals such as yourself really JH> hate Rush's show, then produce a compelling alternative, and let the More? [Y/n/c] JH> free market of ideas decide which will survive. And... if you use a JH> Toaster, I will applaud that effort too, for the medium, if not the JH> content. Here, here... (applause fills the room) - Mark P.S. - Let me "ditto" what you have said. *FSED91jSC 1.3d* > Schizophrenia beats dining alone. --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: NOVA/CAUG Support/16.8 DS/615-472-9748 (1:362/508.0) Message Command: Message #1366 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 14 Nov 93 08:53:00 From: Mark Warren To: Michael Eng Subj: Re: Toaster 4000 Bug???? *In a message dated 05 Nov 93 06:18:14 Michael Eng writes: ME> I am using a Toaster 4000 and for some reason I have been have a ME> problem with it's CG. Sometimes when I type a keypage, half ME> of the text does not have a Dropshadow (Bottom ME> half). I have tried selecting the whole page ME> and resetting the dropshadow and dropshadow ME> color, but nothing changes. All I can do is start on a ME> new page and hope it has the right dropshadows. ME> Is this a bug with the new Toaster 4000? ME> Any Help would be appretiated. Mike, While I have not experienced the problem you are having with your Toaster, let me tell you that NewTek is releasing a free upgrade at the end of More? [Y/n/c] November for all registered 3.0 and T4000 owners. This upgrade will contain some bug fixes, added effects and 40 pages of additional documentation. Let me cite my source, The Desktop Video Wizards Network. I hope your problem will be fixed with this upgrade. Good luck. - Mark *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: NOVA/CAUG Support/16.8 DS/615-472-9748 (1:362/508.0) Message Command: Message #1367 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 15 Nov 93 15:09:11 From: James Kewageshig To: Ron Kramer Subj: Bones? GD> for an object. I've tried this without any success. GD> Has anyone had any luck building a hierarchy of bones GD> in an object using the parent command...each time I GD> select a bone as a parent of another bone it jumps to GD> another position and I loose my hierarchal structure for the object. RK>Ive had great success with bones in dinosaur objects. The reason your bones are RK>jumping is because you placed them, then made them parents. Load in the series RK>of 10 bones, then parent 1-2,2-3,3-4,4,5 etc... THEN place them. RK>IF you do it your way, and they jump... simply replace them (now that they are RK>parented) and they will stay in place. Is there any way to overcome the problem of parented(child) bones moving in More? [Y/n/c] the opposite direction based on which way the parent bone is positioned?? IE: I have a 'pelvic' bone. Rotate it's heading 180 deg so that it is rotated/facing the way I like. Now, parent the 'chest' bone to it. Now when I move the chest bone to set the rest pos, it moves approx opposite of what I'd expect, based on the fact that its parent bone is set to heading 180 deg... It gets hard to position things when they move in the opposite direction... :( PS: In my above example, should I do as you mentioned above, and parent the chest bone to the pelvic bone BEFORE moving and setting the rest position for the pelvic bone... ?? Thanks, James K. --- * DeLuxe* 1.25 #8086 * Head of Co@#$1 HELP!held captive.computer alive!H --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'d' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1368 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 17 Nov 93 00:19:11 From: J. Moore To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: Surfaces... JEC> Since this is a custom object, and the user didn't specify that JEC> it was beveled, it may be a different problem. True. It did sound exactly like the problem I found with beveled or rounded objects though. But you never know, and your suggestions are a good way to track it down. Nice to see some helpful hints around here. * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'d' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1369 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 16 Nov 93 17:30:58 From: Zoltan Hunt To: Nancy Kowall Subj: Beyond the Edge (video tape) Great, I hope mine gets here before the end of the month. >Zoltan> --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3 * Origin: 3DArtForumCanada-Toronto 14.4 (416)236-9828 (1:250/128) Message Command: Message #1370 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 13 Nov 93 10:38:44 From: Jimmy Wright To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Say it! SK>I though the Limbaugh topic was off limits? SK> SK>For the record, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who watches or listens SK>to Limbaugh and can't see who he is and what he stands for is not SK>going to be convinced by examples I give or anything I say. We live SK>in different worlds. This topic is closed for me... .... ...... .....What does he stan for?? --- MsgToss 2.0 (r) * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange (804)877-3539 -2-Lines- FREE (1:271/270) Message Command: Message #1371 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 09:35:37 From: Mark Redman To: All Subj: Wanted I am looking for used/B-Stock video equipment in either S-VHS or 3/4" formats. I need VTR's, VTP's, Cameras, and an Edit system compatable with a Toaster 4000. If you have anything or suggestions where I might try, leave me e-mail here or Fax me at (205) 426-2311. Thanks, Mark Redman --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3 * Origin: Toaster Universe BBS (305)821-0455 16.8K Dual Standard (1:135/355) Message Command: Message #1372 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 15 Nov 93 22:43:12 From: Terry Mundy To: All Subj: Community Animation I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at least one thing. Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or another, in a Toaster net community video? What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an animation then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If you feel like it an object can be donated if your a little shy on the creativity of motion or just don't have the time. We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board, and I believe that we should be able to put together a very tremendous looking animation. The problems that we have to work with are, what type of animation, More? [Y/n/c] i.e. space, land, sea? Then who how does it get started? Who's in charge of what? And the big question, Who would render it, and to what format. Better that S-VHS or Hi8 would be nice. Maybe we can get our animation in the AW animation video, and least of all, become a more advanced community of animators that NewTek would darned well listen to! What does everyone think? Leave your reply here. Terry Mundy --- MEBBSNet 0.134 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1373 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Thu 18 Nov 93 20:12 From: Nancy Kowall To: All Subj: FastLane ANYONE HAVING TBC AND/OR GENLOCK PROBLEMS WITH THEIR TOASTER_4000 AFTER INSTALLING FASTLANE??? I FINALLY GOT A DECENT TOASTER BOARD AND NOW THIS... ACTING MORE LIKE A HEAT PROBLEM-IN THE SWITCHER, LIVE VIDEO LOCKS IN FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES AND THEN STARTS PULLING. AFTER EXITING TOASTER, WB (OR ANY PRG) IS GENLOCKED BUT WILL SUDDENLY DISAPPEAR AFTER 10 OR 15 MINUTES, LEAVING THE LIVE VIDEO.... (USING PERSONAL TBC I WHICH WAS RECENTLY REFURBISHED) --- DLG PRO V1.0/DLGMAIL * ORIGIN: MIKE'S VIDEO HOUSE - GLENDALE, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1374 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 13:53:40 From: Sam Kanter To: Rich Koster Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >I KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE POSTED THESE MESSAGES. THEY GOT THE >DOUBLE-UPGRADE OFFER FROM NEWTEK, SO THEY LEGALLY HAVE TWO VERSIONS >OF 3.0 AND ARE SELLING ONE OF THEM. REALLY? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE 3.0 SOFTWARE AND TOASTER 4000 SOFTWARE WAS DIFFERENT. THE 3.0 IS 29 DISKS AND THE 4000 IS MUCH MORE, AND THAT THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. SO, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING THEIR 3.0 SOFTWARE WOULD BE DISABLING THEIR SECOND SYSTEM -- THE REASON THAT THEY GOT THE DOUBLE-UPGRADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF I'M WRONG ABOUT ALL THIS, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT IT. AM I? --- TBBS V2.1/NM * ORIGIN: STATEN ISLAND SYS-LINK/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-LINES (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1375 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 13:55:44 From: Sam Kanter To: Neil Nadelman Subj: Re: PROBLEMS GETTING AG-1970' >I THINK THE TBC PLUS IS UNDER $1000. SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DEAL WITH ALL THANKS, NEIL. I'LL CERTAINLY CHECK THE TBC + OUT... --- TBBS V2.1/NM * ORIGIN: STATEN ISLAND SYS-LINK/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-LINES (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1376 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 19 Nov 93 08:47:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: All Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas? I AM ON MY 2ND REPLACEMENT TOASTER AND I AM PERPLEXED. I AM RELUCTANT TO SEND THIS ONE BACK UNTIL I HAVE ISOLATED THE PROBLEM AND PROVED TO MYSELF THAT IT IS THE TOASTER AND NOT MY A2000. HERE IS THE SETUP: AMIGA 2000 REV 6.2, PP&S 040 BOARD WITH 8 MEGS OF RAM, DKB MEGACHIP UPGRADE, TRUMPCARD PRO SCSI CONTROLLER, ONE 340 MEG DRIVE, ONE 40 MEG DRIVE, ONE FLOPPY, ONE TOASTER 4000 BOARD WITH THE 3.0 SOFTWARE. THE COMPUTER ITSELF RUNS FLAWLESSLY. NO PROBLEM WITH VIDEO OUTPUT. ONE SLIGHT PROBLEM SYMPTOM: THE POWER LED DOES NOT LIGHT UP. IN FACT, WHEN ALL CARDS ARE STRIPPED OUT OF THE MACHINE, THE LED STILL DOES NOT LIGHT UP. NOW THE PROBLEM: WHEN THE TOASTER IS FIRST BOOTED, I GET TERRIBLE HORIZONTAL NOISE, AND I MEAN PURE HORIZONTAL--STRAIGHT ACROSS THE SCREEN, LINES OF VIDEO More? [Y/n/c] INTERFERENCE. IT SEEMS POSSIBLE CONNECTED TO (COULD THIS BE POSSIBLE?) HARD DISK ACCESS BUT THEN AGAIN, EVEN AFTER THE HARD DISK HAS SETTLED DOWN, THE NOISE PERSISTS. NOW, WIERDER STILL, AFTER A WHILE (MAYBE 15 MINUTES) THE NOISE GRADUALLY GOES AWAY. AFTER THE MACHINE HAS BEEN ON FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, THE NOISE IS TOTALLY GONE. I HAVE TRIED BOOTING WITH NO VIDEO CONNECTED ON INPUT ONE, WITH A LIVE CAMERA ON INPUT ONE, AND WITH TBC VIDEO ON INPUT ONE; NONE OF THESE HAS ANY INFLUENCE ON THE PROBLEM. I HAVE ALSO TRIED ADJUSTING THE HORIZONTAL SYNC ON THE TOASTER (THE LITTLE POT ON THE BOARD). I CAN SCREW IT UP PRETTY WELL, BUT WHEN I MOVE IT BACK TO WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST POSITION IN TERMS OF PICTURE QUALITY, THE PROBLEM PERSISTS. I KNOW I CAN JUST SEND IT IN AND GET A REPLACEMENT BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO PROVE TO MYSELF THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT IN MY COMPUTER. STRANGE PROBLEM, NO? * WAVE RIDER 0.40 BETA * --- More? [Y/n/c] * ORIGIN: THEOREM BEACH, VIOLA, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1377 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Fri 19 Nov 93 18:00 From: Oscar Castillo To: Jeff Dehaven Subj: Re: Toaster ?s NO, NO, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY AN NTSC AMIGA, JUST THAT IT WAS ALTERED TO BOOT IN PAL. IF I TRIED TO RUN IMAGINE IN PAL, I'D GET A MESSAGE STATING IT WAS THE VERSION OF IMAGINE I HAVE IS AN INCORRECT NTSC/PAL VERSION. I THEN USED DEGRADER TO KICK IT BACK INTO NTSC, AND THEN RAN IMAGINE, AND PRESTO, IT RAN PERFECTLY. ENCOUNTERING THIS PROBLEM, I STARTED TO THINK WHETHER OR NOT THE TOASTER SOFTWARE WOULD FAIL TO LOAD, LIKE IMAGINE DID, OR SOME OTHER ODDITIES. I GUESS I'LL JUST RE-REALTER THE MOTHERBOARD BAK TO NTSC TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE. --- DLG PRO V0.999/DLGMAIL * ORIGIN: CHEAPO STUDIOS! (908)-566-7052 -KOOKIE LIVES!! (1:107/658) Message Command: Message #1378 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 17 Nov 93 22:13:10 From: Mark Weiss To: Anthony Caputo Subj: Toast AC>OK WILL DO MARK,THIS SOUNDS LIKE A INTERESTING,TO THE FACT THAT AMIGA AT AC>ONE TIME WAS ONE OF A FEW COMPUTERS AVAILABLE TO DO THESE AC>SO CALLED SPECIAL GRAPHICAL THINGS,I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT AC>THIS OS2 CONF. ONLY AS A AC>CURIOUSITY.YOUR LOOKING AT POSSIBLY THE LAST FLING OF AC>DISCUSSING THIS SUBJECT......................TIME MARCHES AC>ON...ON...NO................. AC>TALK TO YOU SOON ON LANDLINE. AC>TONY YOU WERE A FORMER COMMODORE OWNER YOURSELF, WEREN'T YOU? SEE YOU ON OS_DEBATE...... MARK * SLMR 2.1A * GRANDCHILDREN: IT'S KIDS WITHOUT ALL THE MESS! More? [Y/n/c] --- MAXIMUS/2 2.01WB * ORIGIN: TREASURE ISLAND =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) Message Command: Message #1379 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 22:02:08 From: Mark Weiss To: Chris Baugh Subj: LW on a PC? ALL PC owner CB> MW> RESOLUTION IS EQUAL TO THE NUMBER OF DISCREET VERTICAL LINES THAT CAN CB>I REMEMBERED THAT PART FROM MY VIDEO SYSTEMS CLASS.. CB> MW> BE SEEN AT 3/4 OF THE WIDTH OF THE SCREEN. HENCE, 600 DOTS ACROSS THE CB>BUT I'D FORGOTTEN THAT. (I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS MENTIONED SINCE THE CB>INSTRUCTOR AND TEXTS WERE *VERY* THOROUGH.) THANKS FOR PROVIDING CB>THE MISSING PIECE OF THE PICTURE (245 LINES, ISN'T IT? ). I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ORIGINAL EXAMPLE WAS, BUT JUST MULTIPLY YOUR NUMBER OF DOTS ALONG A HORIZONTAL AXIS AND MULTIPLY BY .75 AND YOU HAVE THE ANSWER IN TV LINES. BTW, YOUR DIPLOMACY HAS NOT GONE UNNOTICED. CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING ABOUT THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS ECHO TO POST MESSAGES TO ME IN A CIVILIZED More? [Y/n/c] MANNER. MARK * SLMR 2.1A * WHO'S GOING TO PROTECT US FROM OUR "PROTECTORS"? --- MAXIMUS/2 2.01WB * ORIGIN: TREASURE ISLAND =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) Message Command: Message #1380 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 19 Nov 93 08:41:22 From: Gregg Mercede To: Oscar Castillo Subj: Re: Amiga OC> CHECK OUT WHAT GREGG MERCEDE WROTE ON 21 OCT 93 16:27:24: GM> IBM HAS GM> ALSO DEVELOPED AND IT IS NOW SHIPPING WITH OS/2 2.1, FULL MOTION 30 GM> FRAMES PER SECOND VIDEO WITH NO HARDWARE NECESSARY!!!! OC> I THINK YOU ARE MISLEADING THE PUBLIC WITH A OC> STATEMENT SUCH AS THAT. FULL MOTION VIDEO AT 30 FRAMES OC> CAN BE DONE ON MANY COMPUTERS. THE DIFFERENCE IS THE OC> RESOLUTION AND AMOUNT OF COLORS. A 256 COLOR 160X100 OC> SCREEN CAN BE CONSIDERED FULL MOTION VIDEO. OC> AS A USER OF BOTH AMIGA, AND IBM COMPATIBLES, THE OC> ONLY WAY I'VE FOUND TO GET 30 FRAMES A SEC AT A MODEST OC> RESOLUTION WAS TO ADD HARWARE. EVEN THROUGH HARDWARE, OC> SUCH AS THE INDEO, YOU'LL NEED A 486DX2-66 FOR 30FPS AT OC> JUST 320X240 PIXELS. EVEN ON A PENTIUM, ONCE YOU GO OC> HIGHER THAN 320X240, TO 640X480, YOU GET 20FPS, ON DX2- More? [Y/n/c] DEVELOPERS FOR THE AMIGA HAVE STATED IN THE PRESS THAT IBM'S ULTIMOTION PLAYER IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD, NOTHING CAN TOUCH IT. THIS MAY BE BECAUSE YOU CAN PLAY TWO, OR THREE VIDEOS ON THE SAME SCREEN. AND THE VIDEO IS SYNCHRONIZED. AND AT 30 FPS. IT DEPENDS ON THE MOVIE FILE. OHH, AND BY THE WAY, THOUGH THERE ARE NOT MANY GOOD AVI FILES THAT COME WITH THE OS/2 CD-ROM, THERE ARE ONES THAT EXIST THAT ARE 1024X768. AND THE MOTION IS FLAWLESS. BUT ENOUGH OF THAT, THIS IS THE VIDEO TOASTER ECHO. YOU ARE RESPONDING TO AN OLD MESSAGE. GM --- MAXIMUS/2 2.01WB * ORIGIN: OS/2 BRINGS DOS SALES TO ITS KNEES! (1:141/270) Message Command: Message #1381 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 18 Nov 93 23:48:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Scott Pessoni Subj: TBC's SP> THANKS FOR THE ADVISE! BUT THERE IS A BIG DEFFERENCE IN PRICE. I AM SP> LOOKING TO THE DUAL TBC ADAPTER FOR DPS. I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE YET SP> THOUGH. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THERE EXTERNAL CONTORLER COSTS? I KNOW THAT DPS MAKES A CARD CAGE THAT CAN HOLD TWO OF ITS TBCS, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF A DUAL ADAPTER, UNLESS YOU MEAN THAT. THE CONTROLLER RUNS ABOUT $500 LIST. NOT SURE ABOUT STREET PRICE. THE SOFTWARE IS QUITE NICE THOUGH, SO IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER TO PUT THEM IN AND CONTROL THEM WITH, DO SO. THE SOFTWARE IS GOOD ON A PC OR AMIGA, BTW. AGAIN, 4:2:2 IS QUITE NICE WITH HIGH END DECKS. TOP LINE SVHS OR BETA SP YOU CAN REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE. WITH MID LINE TO LOWER END SVHS STUFF, THE QUALITY DIFFERENCE ISN'T THAT GREAT, BUT IS STILL NOTICEABLE. More? [Y/n/c] ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AMIQWK 2.1 | LOCUTOUS FOR PONTIAC: EXCITMENT IS IRRELIVENT. --- DLGQWK V0.71A/DLGMAIL * ORIGIN: CYBERMIGA! BOULDER, COLORADO (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1382 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 11:04:17 From: Zoltan Hunt To: Don Pope Subj: Re: LightWave Pro Newsletter Thanks, I'll look into it. >ZOltan> --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3 * Origin: 3DArtForumCanada-Toronto 14.4 (416)236-9828 (1:250/128) Message Command: Message #1383 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 11:10:48 From: Zoltan Hunt To: Peter Greci Subj: Re: LightWave Pro Newsletter Thanks, I might decide to go with this one. >Zoltan> --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3 * Origin: 3DArtForumCanada-Toronto 14.4 (416)236-9828 (1:250/128) Message Command: Message #1384 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 19 Nov 93 11:05:13 From: J Eric Chard To: Chris Baugh Subj: Re: Saturation of a pixel *In a message dated 15 Nov 93 17:00:36 Chris Baugh writes: CB> On (10 Nov 93) J Eric Chard wrote to All... CB> CB> JE> Anybody know a good way to determine the saturation of a pixel? CB> CB> Use a vectorscope. Look around the perimeter of the circle for the No duh. Maybe it wasn't clear from the context, but I meant from the RGB values, not the signal. BTW, it'd be DAMN hard to single out a pixel on a vectorscope. Allen Hastings provided me with the formula that lightwave uses: min=minimum(r,g,b) More? [Y/n/c] max=maximum(r,g,b) saturation= (max-min)/max This gives a value between 0 and 1. Multiply by 255 for rgb usefullness. CB> JE> Also, is the luminance the SUM or the AVERAGE of the RGB CB> components? CB> CB> For ntsc, it's a weighted combination of the three - about 55% CB> green, 35% red and the rest blue. Mark Weiss may have the exact CB> figures handy. Thanx. (LWave uses a simple maximum(r,g,b).) I'm trying to re-create Kai's Power Tools for Photoshop on ImageFX. *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1385 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 19 Nov 93 11:13:15 From: J Eric Chard To: Ron Kramer Subj: A Better Switcher *In a message dated 16 Nov 93 17:26:08 Ron Kramer writes: RK> I`m still down on the source selection of devices for framestores. RK> I keep many on another drive back on a 2nd machine and access them RK> via Parnet. RK> the device NET: is selectable, but not NET:dh4 Yes. It gets even worse if you try to move FRAMESTORE:PAGES around- a real hassle. Apparently NewTek never met a system routine they liked. RK> Someone suggested to... RK> RK> assign FSD: NET:dh4/Framestore RK> RK> But it doesn`t work as the toaster software doesn`t seem to see FSD: More? [Y/n/c] RK> as a device. I would rather be allowed to enter a path. I often Drag. Perhaps there is a PD utility somewhere that fools the system into thinking logical volumes are devices. The PAR started out as a logical volume, -their latest s/w now appears as a device. *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1386 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 11:47:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Rich Koster Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec -> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another -> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for -> shipping. I think you mean Pixel Pro but thanks for the info! --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1387 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 12:06:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Terry Mundy Subj: Community Animation -> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at -> least one thing. -> -> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or -> another, in a Toaster net community video? -> -> What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an -> animation then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If -> you feel like it an object can be donated if your a little shy on the -> creativity of motion or just don't have the time. -> -> We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board, -> and I believe that we should be able to put together a very -> tremendous looking animation. The local guys around here have talked about doing some kind of project for next years Siggraph show but so far that's all it is- talk. To get a More? [Y/n/c] large group of people even locally to co-operate together and actually deliver on what they say they will do is very hard. My feeling is that great works of art are never produced by committee, they are the vision of a single artist. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1388 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 12:08:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Mark Redman Subj: Wanted -> I am looking for used/B-Stock video equipment in either S-VHS or 3/4" -> formats. I need VTR's, VTP's, Cameras, and an Edit system -> compatable with a Toaster 4000. If you have anything or suggestions -> where I might try, leave me e-mail here or Fax me at (205) 426-2311. Try Composite Video. They buy/sell used pro video gear. Their number is 813-546-6407 Fax# is 813-544-1018. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1389 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 17:33:20 From: Ron Kramer To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >system. SK> SK> You'thinks wrong. I've seen -several- ads up here for SK> people selling their 3.0 The ADS you`ve seen selling 3.0 software (LIKE MINE) Was because SOME people bought the DOUBLE UP upgrade. We got a T4000 card and 3.0 Software for the T4000 care. WE ALSO got 3.0 software upgrade for our Toaster 2.0`s. Some people then sold (like me) their older Toaster 2.0 cards and still have the 3.0 upgrade to sell. The ORIGINAL, and have no need for it themselves as they have the T4000 and 3.0 for it with original manual. SK> software. I would assume that they would backup the SK> software, copy the manual, SK> and then sell the registered software and manual for SK> $500. This seems legal to More? [Y/n/c] SK> me, and I assumed that -any- registered user wouldn't SK> mind doing this for $500. SK> I had no intentions of doing it myself until I saw SK> these other messages. I It is piracy, anyone doing this would be pirating and using a pirated copy of the software and manual. And registered or not... do this and Newtek may just require that you send the original disk #1 (With their custom label) in order for you (and all) to upgrade to 4.0 !!!!! Leaving YOU the pirate with NO WAY to upgrade short of buying another toaster... SK> manuals to others don't SK> keep copies for themselves? Who are we kidding? I sold my 3.0 original and I still have my original disks for my T4000/3.0 and my original T4000/3.0 manual. If you have a toaster, you`d better have a set of original disks as well. Especially with LightRave floating around, upgrades will probably need to be proven in the future by showing posession of original manual and or disks. Your choise. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1390 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 17:46:04 From: Ron Kramer To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT SK> Why do you think Y/C formats like S-VHS and Hi-8 were SK> developed? Composite, especially in SK> prosumer/industrial formats like S-VHS and Hi-8, is inferior to Y/C. I have a professional 3/4 editing system. And guess what connections it uses. Nope, `Composite`. And my 3/4 system certainly isn`t inferior to my S and HI8 equipment. S and HI8 were not developed to be better then 3/4 or composite... they were developed to be superior to VHS and 8mm. Y/C was simply one way of stetching more quality out of the two consumer formats. The S/N and multi-generation ability of 3/4 far exceeds that of S and HI8. I have them all, and there is more to a good video signal then seperate chroma and luma. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1391 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 17:54:44 From: Ron Kramer To: PETER Greci Subj: Re: Opalvision, anyone? PG> MIDGARD GRAPHICS Phone XXX-XXX-1423 Creators of 3D PG> Animation and Special FX. Peter, I`m feeling deja-vu here. Banners aren`t allowed nor commercial advertising. Please remove this again. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1392 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 16 Nov 93 05:30:00 From: Daryl Smith To: Don Pope Subj: Re: Sanyo VTR > Hi Scott... Not to put words in Daryl's mouth, but I don't think he > was looking for a comparison between the Sanyo and the AG Panasonics. > I think he is looking for a lower priced alternative than a 7750. Yes, > the Panasonics are more rugged and better built - they also cost twice > as much as the Sanyo! > Amigaly, .Don. Thanks Don ,be my guess cuz there's no one here that can make the 7750 series sound like a winner to a blue collar worker like myself trying to get into the video business.I had a Toaster the 1st month that it came out and haven't been able to afford the video equipment to go with it . I got these old outdated 3/4" decks when I didn't know what to buy and found out later one REELLY needs tyme code when doing music videos.Now I must keep reading in VTU magazine about 16 yr olds buying Benzes, and Saabs while Im still using 2.0 software and no decks.So More? [Y/n/c] anyway I got a quote of sumthing like 2700.00 from a mail order company and as soon as I can beg, borrow, or steal the money for 2 of them bad boys I will be in business. Right now nobody wants to give you time code, single frame control, hi-fi audio, switching(audio and video) ,etc... in one package even though they could. Im hoping Sanyo can do to the professional video equipment industry what Newtek did to the TV industry. Cuz right now still only elite can afford most of the video and support equipment. Here I am wiatin' on dem dere 500 channels ! --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * 6 Gigs * (1:261/1137) Message Command: Message #1393 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 10:21:54 From: Arthur Freems To: All Subj: Microwave TV reception I'm interested in finding what transmissions are available in the South Florida Area. Particularly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Serviced). Also looking for equipment and techniques. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Telcom Central (1:135/23) Message Command: Message #1394 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 12:33:40 From: Ron Kramer To: James Kewageshig Subj: Bones? JK> the chest bone to the pelvic bone BEFORE moving and setting the rest JK> position for the pelvic bone... ?? Load all the bones you will need into the object before moving any of them. Then parent them together, 2to1, 3to2, 4to3 etc. The place them in the object and set their rest positions. Now move the pelvic bone. Remember there are USUALLY bones between the pelvis and chest bones... you may need a buffer of them between the waist and chest for realism... place a couple vertibrae in between them. The rest position is the position of the bones with no modification to the object. So think of it as the objects original or normal position. Once the rest is set - any movement to that bone will effect the object. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1395 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 12:44:30 From: Ron Kramer To: Ken Bouchard Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T KB> That's OK, I think I have found it anyhow. KB> PC-TV can be had for $99.00 in a recent ad. KB> While this is not directly a capture board, it comes Ya, I saw one of these at Sears. It was cute. Good luck. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1396 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 19:17:03 From: Rich Koster To: Sam Kanter Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE Hi Sam! On Thursday, November 18th '93 you wrote to me: SK> I was under the impression that the 3.0 software and Toaster SK> 4000 software was different. The 3.0 is 29 disks and the 4000 SK> is much more, And when you install them, the installation program is smart enough to know which version needs to be installed. For example, on my Toaster 4000/Amiga 4000 system, many disks were skipped at installation time automatically because these would only be needed if it was to be installed on an A2000 or A3000 system. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1397 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 19:17:39 From: Rich Koster To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec Hi Dan! On Saturday, November 20th '93 you wrote to me: DB> -> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another DB> -> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for DB> -> shipping. DB> I think you mean Pixel Pro but thanks for the info! I'm *so* confused! :) Yes, I meant Pixel Pro owners. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1398 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 10:56:00 From: Rick Lee To: Anthony Caputo Subj: Toast On 11-16-93 ANTHONY CAPUTO wrote to MARK WEISS... AC> MW> I simply won't use one because the results look AC> MW> rather "ameteur". Edges AC> I agree,even though the crumbs fall out the bottom and it is hard to AC> clean AC> it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AC> MW> edges. Well, I'll say this "you gets whats you pay for". AC> Toasters in general are not what there are cracked up to be in todays AC> high AC> tech world.One more thing,Toaster owners should come out of the AC> "DREAM" AC> world and come out and sample the new stuff in the real world. AC> Many happy jagged edges to you, AC> Tony Tony Tony AC> More? [Y/n/c] AC> --- Maximus/2 2.01wb AC> * Origin: Treasure Island =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) AC> I work in a professional video environment. I use the "new stuff in the real world " daily. What's your point? The Toaster has provided me and my clients a low cost solution for many a project. And the Amiga platform itself is the best way to go for video. Do you own or use a Toaster? Mine has made me a lot of $$$ so your flame on the Toaster means nothing. And I continually impress my client 's with the capability of the Amiga platform. I am living in the real world. Take your Toaster flames somewhere else. When you start signing the paycheck maybe I'll listen. NOT! t --- * OFFLINE 1.56 --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26) Message Command: Message #1399 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 18 Nov 93 19:57:00 From: Coniah Chuang To: Scott Marlowe Subj: re: Y/C AND COMPONENT After discussions with DPS and professional VTR suppliers, it is clear that the problem with using a composite signal with the Video Toaster is not the TBC or the Video Toaster, but with the record deck. The filtering required to convert the composite signal back into its Y/C components may degrade the signal by as much as 25%, depending on the quality of the decks. The combination of the decoding and writing to tape is the cause of the majority of the degradation, not the cable type. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- * AmiQWK II 1.0b * --- DlgQWK v0.71a/Cut Here --- * Origin: Tunnel Vision BBS {2.6Gigs} All Amiga/4 lines (1:153/910) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1400 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 19 Nov 93 21:00:21 From: Tim Krego To: Rich Koster Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75 RK> plus $5 for shipping. RK> RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for RK> shipping. Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the 4000 Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded LW. --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3 * Origin: Amys' Place - [419-691-0279] - Toledo OH (1:234/22) Message Command: Message #1401 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 20 Nov 93 18:37:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Nancy Kowall Subj: re: Toaster/PC SM> My point is that the Toaster is NOT mass marketed for a reason. It's SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user. NK> I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has geared NK> their sales to the average user rather than the 'professional'. There are NK> a lot of 'Mom and Pop' video/computer enthusiasts who are enchanted with NK> the idea of manipulating their own videos and many, I think, would NK> eventually even gravitate toward LightWave and 3D animation. Average NK> people ARE hungry for this stuff. Some company still needs to hit the NK> right marketing techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video NK> purchases" and THEN they'll strike gold... Nancy, I was referring to the average computer user, not the average video user. Most folks I know with PCs don't do video as anything more than taking a cam corder to the family reunion or the occasional More? [Y/n/c] birthday party. While there may be quite a few computer / video hobbyists out there, they do not make up a signifigant part of the average PC using market. While a simple video card that lets you title and edit some simple home video may someday come on the PC, I don't think the Toaster is it. To use a Toaster in a suite requires too much other hardware for a simple computer hobbyist to edit home videos. Now, a Video hobbyist may find it worth while, but their numbers are much lower than the number of PC users out there. Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing more than to see home video editing become toaster based, but with the need for TBCed VTRs that the Toaster creates, most folks would still find it cheaper to edit at home on a pair of AG-1970s, a simple Panasonic A/V mixer, and a good cam-corder. Again, my point is that NewTek has to sell a lot of units on the PC to make it worth their while to convert the Toaster. To sell a lot of units on the PC you have to have true mass market appeal. The Toaster is just too cantankerous (compared to cheaper A/V stuff like Panasonics simple mixers) and too demanding on resources to become More? [Y/n/c] a mass market device in the near future. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | "What is it about L'waxana Troi that makes me melt." * Odo --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1402 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 20 Nov 93 19:07:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE RK> I know the people who have posted these messages. They got the RK> double-upgrade offer from NewTek, so they legally have two versions RK> of 3.0 and are selling one of them. SK> Really? I was under the impression that the 3.0 software and Toaster 4000 SK> software was different. The 3.0 is 29 disks and the 4000 is much more, SK> and that they are not compatible. So, the people who are selling their SK> 3.0 software would be disabling their second system -- the reason that SK> they got the double-upgrade in the first place. SK> SK> If I'm wrong about all this, I'll be the first to admit it. Am I? You're right. I've tested this. Have a friend who had both pieces of software installed on his A2000 (Toaster 4000, first 29 disks, and Toaster 3.0, 29 disks also) We were using his old T2000 while waiting for his T4000 to come back from repairs. T2000 ONLY worked on 3.0, More? [Y/n/c] T4000 ONLY worked on T4000 software. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | "Take my Worf--please." -Data --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1403 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 20 Nov 93 19:13:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas Quoting Mike Nielson: >I am on my 2nd replacement Toaster and I am perplexed. >I am reluctant to send this one back until I have isolated the problem >and proved to myself that it is the Toaster and not my A2000. > >Here is the setup: >Amiga 2000 rev 6.2, PP&S 040 board with 8 megs of ram, DKB Megachip upgrade, >Trumpcard Pro SCSI controller, one 340 meg drive, one 40 meg drive, one >floppy, one Toaster 4000 board with the 3.0 software. > >The computer itself runs flawlessly. No problem with video output. One >slight problem symptom: The power LED does not light up. In fact, when >all cards are stripped out of the machine, the LED still does not light up. > More? [Y/n/c] >Now the problem: >When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I >mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video >interference. It seems possible connected to (could this be possible?) >hard disk access but then again, even after the hard disk has settled down, >the noise persists. Now, wierder still, after a while (maybe 15 minutes) the >noise gradually goes away. After the machine has been on for a longer >period of time, the noise is totally gone. Sounds like a Computer problem to me too. First off, try the Toaster in another Amiga if possible to prove to yourself that it is in fact the Amiga it is plugged into that is the problem. When you say you try it with all the cards pulled, are you also pulling the DKB Megachip 2000? These tend to cause some noise problems in some machines. It sounds to me like your Denise chip is marginal, or your Agnus. Try running without the DKB MegaChip (assuming you have the original 1 Meg Agnus on hand) and try changing the Denise also. Also, check what rev A2000 motherboard you are running. If it is an early rev 4, look to see if you have 74HCxxx or 74HCTxxx chips running your video (they are next to the Denise. If they are 74HC chips, you need More? [Y/n/c] to have the 4.7k resistor packs installed to pull up the video signals to work with the Toaster. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | Cardassian Cable : 4 channels? No! We have *5* channels! --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1404 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: Sat 20 Nov 93 20:33 From: Alan Chan To: Terry Mundy Subj: Re: Community Animation In a message dated 15 Nov 93 22:43:12, Terry Mundy wrote: TM> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on at TM> least one thing. TM> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or TM> another, in a Toaster net community video? I'm interested! Anyone else? --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1405 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 20 Nov 93 17:02:44 From: Sam Kanter To: Mark Warren Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT >Please fogive my 'Butting-in' here, but I think you are in error. I do not >believe that there is a large portion using S-Video. I believe that >Toaster users cover a gamut of tape formats. With our urban setting, as a Do you have any statistics to back up your belief? I've aleays been under the impression that a large percentage of Toaster users are event videographers and industrial users who use S-VHS and Hi-8. >To me, it makes sense to make equiping your Toaster for Y/C as a seperate >add-on - *if you need it*. I don't see any grounds for the remark that >NewTek is "stonewalling this important issue." That does make sense, but unfortunately is impossible with the current Toaster hardware. Once the signal is composite, it stays composite -- even if you can get Y/C cables in and out of it. The Toaster is a composite device. --- TBBS v2.1/NM More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1406 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 20 Nov 93 17:04:40 From: Sam Kanter To: Jimmy Wright Subj: Re: SAY IT! >.....What does he stan for?? I'd love to tell you what Limbaugh stans (sic) for, but the topic is off limit here. Anyway, like jazz, if you don't know what it is, no one can explain it. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1407 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 21 Nov 93 23:24:29 From: Rich Koster To: Sam Kanter Subj: re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE Hi Sam! On Sunday, November 14th '93 you wrote to me: SK> I was advocating selling the registered copy of the SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal? Yes, Sam. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1408 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 22 Nov 93 01:47:57 From: Rich Koster To: Tim Krego Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec Hi Tim! On Friday, November 19th '93 you wrote to me: TK> RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for $75 TK> RK> plus $5 for shipping. TK> RK> TK> RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another TK> RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for TK> RK> shipping. TK> TK> Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the 4000 TK> Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded LW. A thousand pardons, Tim. I meant "Pixel 3D Pro" not "LightWave Pro" (of which there isn't even such a program!). More? [Y/n/c] --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1409 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 20 Nov 93 14:39:58 From: Don Dawson To: Ron Kramer Subj: re: Toaster/PC * Original to: Ron Kramer at 1:228/13 CC'd to: Brian Bonfietti, Jim Greely, Dan Buda, Bill DeBlase (NEC) On Phil Palumbo (1:141/336) wrote to Don Dawson: PP> ! Original to Ron Kramer @ 1:228/13.0 PP> * Forwarded 20 Nov 93 07:19:37 by Phil Palumbo @ 1:141/336.0 >>* Original Area: Video >>* Original From: Don Dawson (1:228/500) >>* Original To : Ron Kramer (1:228/13) >> >>On Ron Kramer (1:228/13) wrote to Don Dawson: >> >> RK> Do you understand how it works? `Video` is the *tag* name used >> RK> only as a More? [Y/n/c] >> >>Do YOU understand how it works? >> >> RK> lable for mail routing your callers should never see it. Its >> RK> best kept >> >>Echomail is NOT ROUTED. Echomail is echoed. >> >> RK> to 8 characters or less. `Video-Toaster` is the area name, the >> RK> name >> >> RK> that sysops should post on their bbs for their callers to see >> RK> as a description of the echo. >> >>They see VIDEO, I see VIDEO. I'm not going to read every &*^% echo >>to find out if/when a moderator calls it something else. >> >> RK> There is no `VIDEO` echo. If the elist has it as a seperate >> RK> entry >> >>THIS IS THE VIDEO ECHO! >> More? [Y/n/c] >>B-) Don >> >> * Origin: Talk is cheap unless you hire a lawyer. (1:141/730) >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Dear Sysop, We call him Phil, he's net 141's Net Coordinator. That's why he's the first one in the nodelist in net 141. The second person in the nodelist in net 141 is our NEC (Net Echomail Coordinator). For your reference: Host,141,ConnCentral,Milford_CT,Phil_Palumbo,1-203-878-5879,9600,HST,XB,CM ,1,NEC,Woodbury_CT,B_Bonfietti,1-203-263-4542,9600,CM,HST,V32b,V42b,XA >>I am assuming by your node number that you are your nets NEC. If >>not please disreguard and pass this on to him/her. See above. Perhaps you're confused about NC/NEC because of your net: More? [Y/n/c] Host,228,West_Michigan_Fido_Net,Grand_Rapids_MI,Bill_DeBlase,1-616-363-237 3,96 ,1,Blase,Grand_Rapids_MI,Bill_DeBlase,1-616-363-2373,9600,CM,XA,V32 Although /1 doesn't indicate it's the NEC, the /1 is traditionally the node number for that role. >>I have been a sysop since 1980 and a moderator of numerour national >>echos for nearly 10 years. I have recently had some problems in When will you be able to read the nodelist so you don't have to address your message to "Occupant"? More specifically, did my example above demonstrate how to find the NEC in a net? It's either the sysop that has a /1 node number or sometimes a UNEC nodelist flag. Like this, for example: Host,209,Vegas_Net,Las_Vegas_NV,John_Le_Duc,1-702-731-9453,9600,CM,XA,V3 2b,V42, ,1,NEC209,Las_Vegas_NV,Mark_Woolworth,1-702-873-0614,9600,XA,H16,V32b,V4 2b,UNEC Note however, /1 and UNEC is redundant. More? [Y/n/c] >>one of the national echos I moderate. First with a user of a bbs, >>then when asking the sysop of that system to please instruct his >>user of proper echo protocol and usage or remove him from the echo >>I got no help what so ever from this sysop, and a half dozen >>messages challanging my authority in the echo, and telling us all >>that he will do as he pleases. I forwarded one to you (above) Nope...I didn't say I'd do as I pleased. I explained I don't receive the VIDEO-TOASTER echo of which you're the moderator. I receive the VIDEO echo which you also moderate. >>I have always had excellent responce when asking for assistance from >>sysops who`s users violate echo rules... this sysop is the first to I always try to be helpful and encourage my callers to abide by the moderator rules. However, there's a VIDEO-TOASTER echo (which I don't carry) and you've asked my caller to restrict to VIDEO-TOASTER topics in the VIDEO echo. I apologize if my confusion has been taken as anything other than trying to be cooperative. >>not assist and to take pleasure in adding more off topic posts and More? [Y/n/c] >> trouble to the echo. >>(I`m assuming he`s new and quite young) >> >>I would appreciate it if you would turn off the >>`VIDEO-TOASTER` (tagname `VIDEO` echo to/from this troubled node). Here (again) is the source of my confusion. I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER echo yet you want the NEC to cut my feed to VIDEO. What's going on here? >>He seems to think that my attempts to get his node disconnected from >>the video echo will be futile. So perhaps you are close friends? I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER echo. Why are you trying to cut me from VIDEO? >>I don`t know nor care. I only hope you handle the job of being NEC >>better then he handles the job of being a sysop. If you can not Phil (Occupant) isn't the NEC, Brian Bonfietti is the NEC. >>help me in this matter, I will move to the next link in the chain >>and contact your nets supply hub. I`m confident that this won`t be >>necessary, and truly appreciate your help in the matter. More? [Y/n/c] >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Ron R. Kramer >>228/13 >>moderator `VIDEO-TOASTER` echo. I don't get the VIDEO-TOASTER echo. >>Please send some form of response. Either way, Thanks! PP> ------------------------------------------------------------ PP> First of all, from my node number you should have seen that I am the PP> NC, not the NEC. I have forwarded your complaint to the NEC. Secondly, PP> the title of your message to me is Toaster/PC. If what you meant by PP> the `PC' was "Policy Complaint", then I'm afraid it will not hold PP> water. The sysop in question, in my opinion, is not violating Policy PP> in any way. >>who`s users violate echo rules... this sysop is the first to not assist and >>to take pleasure in adding more off topic posts and assist and >>trouble to the echo. More? [Y/n/c] >>(I`m assuming he`s new and quite young) PP> This is another wrong assumption. The sysop in question is neither PP> new, nor is he young. Nor is he considered `troubled'. He is the PP> former RC of Region 16 and seems to have a penchant for following the PP> established rules and guidelines quite closely. Usually when he PP> disagrees on a point it is because he feels that the other person is PP> doing something contrary to either policy or good sense. In your PP> specific case, it appears that the valid name for the echo is, in PP> fact, VIDEO. Now if you want it to be echoed under one name, but PP> displayed on the boards or referred to in conversation as something PP> else, then you are introducing the possiblility for confusion and PP> error. You might consider changing the echo name to VIDEO_TOASTER if PP> that's what you want it to be referred to. This is a GREAT idea! >>I would appreciate it if you would turn off the >>`VIDEO-TOASTER` (tagname `VIDEO` echo to/from this troubled node). PP> This request will be referred to the NEC. BTW, is it PP> VIDEO_TOASTER or VIDEO? An echo can't have two names. You should pick More? [Y/n/c] PP> one and stick with it to avoid confusion. >>He seems to think that my attempts to get his node disconnected from the >>video echo will be futile. So perhaps you are close friends? I the >>don`t know >nor care. >> I only hope you handle the job of being NEC better then he handles the job >>of being a sysop. PP> He has handled the job of being a sysop quite well for many years. I PP> believe that he is taking the position that you are adding confusion PP> to the system by insisting on referring to an echo by two different PP> names. I strongly suspect that the NEC, REC and ZEC will agree with PP> his position. He's confusing me and plenty of other participants in VIDEO. He keeps scolding them for being off topic. He want's them to talk about VIDEO-TOASTER which is an entirely seperate echo which I don't get OR WANT here. >> If you can not help me in this matter, I will move to the >next >>link in the chain and contact your nets supply hub. I`m confident that this More? [Y/n/c] >>won`t be necessary, and truly appreciate your help in the matter. PP> When you do contact the ZEC, make sure to clarify to him exactly PP> what the name of the echo is. You can't have it echoed as one name and PP> insist that it be listed as another. This is confusing. If you truly PP> want it to be listed as VIDEO_TOASTER then that's what it should be PP> officially echoed as. Don't worry about the eight letters. DOS will PP> truncate that to VIDEO_TO and it will cause less confusion that the PP> dual name scheme that you are proposing. >>Please send some form of response. Either way, Thanks! PP> You have my response. No "Policy Complaint" is appropriate at this PP> time. I am forwarding your message to the NEC and to Mr. Dawson, along PP> with my response to the PC. Thanks Phil. I appreciate your help in trying to clear up the confusion. I hope I've added value to this exchange. Happy Thanksgiving! More? [Y/n/c] B-) Don --- msgedsq/2 2.1a * Origin: Line Noise At No Extra Charge! (1:141/730) Message Command: Message #1410 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 19 Nov 93 14:19:19 From: Chris Baugh To: Ralph Garamozian Subj: Lightwave Speed Up Tips On (14 Nov 93) Ralph Garamozian wrote to All... RG> Unfortunately, Imagine is just not an option. I need to be able to do RG> lens flare (the sun has to rise behind the product, and as it swoops You could render just the lens flare in Lightwave, the rest of the scene in Imagine, and composite the two together. --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: from the Pacific Northwest! (1:105/290.5) Message Command: Message #1411 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 21 Nov 93 11:49:20 From: Stuart Ragland To: All Subj: Amiga Channel BBS Call 804-733-5596 at 14.4 V.32bis V.42bis 24 hours. We host WWIVnet Video Toaster Forum. FREE, No ratio for LD callers... --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1412 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 21 Nov 93 21:50:54 From: Ron Kramer To: Dave Wells Subj: Full frame TBCs without sync > > DW> How did you syncronize multiple sources? Or were you DW> using just one V5000 and no other inputs? I used the V5000 as input #1 to the toaster, I split the video out of the V5000 and ran the other output to a 2nd TBC sync in, then a 2nd video source to that TBCs in and out... to the Toaster #2 input. All worked fine except when rew or ff the V5000, the TBC would then kick off and all would go crazy until a tape was in play mode again then everything would lock in sync once again. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1413 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 22 Nov 93 13:32:04 From: Thomas Hollier To: Jeff Dehaven Subj: Math textures for LW Well, I have heard those rumors too. And I'd just like to say it would make my life very heavenly. Steve worley is the undisputed master of algorythmic textures. Essence one was really cool, Essence two almost got me into a car crash ( I was taking my first look at the manual in the car). Further more, Imagine's texture interface is somewhat limited. If implemented well in LW, it should be really incredible... --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1414 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: Sun 21 Nov 93 16:03 From: Nancy Kowall To: Ron Kramer Subj: Re: Render Fever? RK> interested in any HDs in trade for your toaster? I could use a 2nd RK> board. Just sold it last night- I've seen some others for sale, tho'. If I hear of another soon, I'll let you know. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1415 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: Sun 21 Nov 93 16:06 From: Nancy Kowall To: All Subj: FastLane Be aware that if you put FASTLANE in your 4000, you are gonna have to do some tapdancing because of the heat buildup. I have removed all of the possible 'plates' in the rear (to encourage airflow) and keep an A/C on at all times but am still experiencing some new genlock and 'live feed tearing' problems as well as LW rendering quirks. Mike Moon, the greatest Sysop in the world, has suggested a FANCARD which would go into one of the IBM slots ($50)- sounds like it might work, if it will fit. Of course, my TBC is "I" but if you have a newer TBC, you are able to change the parameters to make it run 'cooler'. Although at this point, it sounds like a heat problem, there is always the possibilty of ANOTHER b a d Toaster board (my 3rd). (sigh) --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1416 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 22 Nov 93 20:59:54 From: Anthony Caputo To: Rick Lee Subj: Toast RL> low cost solution for many a project. And the RL> Amiga platform itself is the best Good for you,I am glad that it making money for you,but saying the the toaster by some to be "it" for video is a bit too much!! RL> Take your Toaster flames somewhere else. When you RL> start signing the paycheck I think you some guys on this conference cannot take any criticism what so ever about your machine.I owned two Commodores ,when they first came out of production,so take your flame and put it out before it burns you. Lee lighten up a little,its only a computer. Hope you feel better soon. Tony --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Treasure Island =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) Message Command: Message #1417 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 21 Nov 93 08:20:22 From: J Eric Chard To: Nancy Kowall Subj: The Average User *In a message dated Sun 14 Nov 93 9:38 Nancy Kowall writes: NK> SM> just too impractical a piece of equipment for the average user. NK> NK> I think you underestimate the 'average user'- In fact, NewTek has NK> geared their sales to the average user rather than the stuff. Some company still needs to hit the right marketing NK> techniques and take the confusion out of "computer/video purchases" NK> and THEN they'll strike gold... I don't know, Nancy. I occasionaly "hunger" for DTP s/w, but I don't buy it because I know it's a VERY rare thing. I have trouble believeing there's all that much desire out there. OTOH, if the Toaster WERE PC compatible, I have no doubt there'd be More? [Y/n/c] more in the corporate world..... *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1418 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 21 Nov 93 08:28:08 From: J Eric Chard To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips *In a message dated 18 Nov 93 08:30:00 Mike Nielsen writes: MN> Well, the first thing I would check is your light source. It should MN> be set MN> to spot and it you should have shadow map enabled. If not, what you MN> get is MN> ray traced shadows, terribly time consuming to render. This is MN> Lwave's MN> default and you have to manually switch it to Spot/Shadow Map. While this is true, TRACE SHADOWS actually defaults to off. However, if a light is set to SHADOW MAP, you will get shadow-mapped shadows even while TRACE SHADOWS >>is<< off. To get the fastest render vis-a-vis shadows, all lights' shadow types should be set to OFF. More? [Y/n/c] Geez, kinda confusing. Also, play with the AA threshold number. I find the default, "8", to be 'way too conservative. I usually set it at 15 or 20. Also2, proper setting of the object shadow attributes can result in mucho speed increase. *FSED91jSC 1.3d* Speed kills - Switch to Windows --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1419 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 21 Nov 93 08:34:14 From: J Eric Chard To: Gregg Mercede Subj: ToasterLink *In a message dated 18 Nov 93 15:44:12 Gregg Mercede writes: GM> I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac. "Considering"? Toaster Link has been around for a long time. Kinda ludicrous, except that it allows transparent MAC/Toaster xfer, even doing the aspect ratio change automagically. *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1420 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 23 Nov 93 04:50:36 From: Joe Cross To: Scott Marlowe Subj: re: Toaster/PC SM> Don't get me wrong, I'd like nothing more than to see home video SM> editing become toaster based, but with the need for TBCed VTRs that SM> the Toaster creates, most folks would still find it cheaper to edit SM> at home on a pair of AG-1970s, a simple Panasonic A/V mixer, and a SM> good cam-corder. Many people purchased the Toaster and do not need TBCs because they're not outputting their images to videotape. In an old segment on Computer Chronicles Paul Montgomery and Tim Jenison (sp) indicated that even teenagers have purchased the Toaster and they've been surprised at the market that used the Toaster. I have a friend in Philly who uses a Toaster and has a Sony 5000 camcorder. He likes playing around with the images that he brings into the Toaster--that's it. Even Nancy wasn't into heavy video production when she purchased her Toaster. She explained it sometime back but I forget the full story. More? [Y/n/c] [joe] --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.4w5 * Origin: Mouse Trap * Serving Amigas Since 1987 * 619-464-2134 (1:202/122) Message Command: Message #1421 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 23 Nov 93 00:33:00 From: Carl Ziegler To: Ron Kramer Subj: video asapters Ron, Thanks for the info. Will look for your recomendation. Don't own a Video Toaster yet. When I win the lottery, will buy and let you use too. Thanks Carl. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Default Origin Line (1:282/1015) Message Command: Message #1422 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 21 Nov 93 18:08:24 From: Terry Mundy To: All Subj: Field Rendering I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving? Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that I can use the output frames for my ads? Please don't ask me if I RTFM, because I am just looking to buy 3.0 first. If it can't be defeated, I would be very content with LW2.0. Would anyone like to elaborate on the subject? You're input please. --- MEBBSNet 0.135 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1423 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 20 Nov 93 11:57:07 From: Jim Selleck To: All Subj: Re: Hey there Scotty are the On Wed 17-Nov-1993 1:09a, Carl Ziegler said to Scooter: CZ> What you been up too? CZ> Will look for reply later in week. Chow Uh... its just a WILD guess, sort of an intuitive sort of thing, but I'll BETCHA fifty cents that this was supposed to be a NETMAIL message. Heh. My own intelligence really astonishes me sometimes. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Future World! (CNet HQ) Detroit, MI 313-255-2464 (1:2410/215) Message Command: Message #1424 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 21 Nov 93 5:57:43 From: Bill Beogelein To: Rich Koster Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade RK> Ever notice how when you save a frame that the on-air channel flashes? RK> Moving it to setup means that you can't screw up the on-air signal from RK> the switcher screen anymore. What causes this *PROGRAM* out flashing, anyway? Why can't the Toaster just do a straight "preview to disk" save? JEC> What Topeka "genius" >>required<< the mouse to be used to JEC> increment/decrement the counters for Project and Frame, JEC> AND didn't implement the number pad for those functions {which would JEC> have been consisitant with the interface} AND doesn't use the +/- JEC> keys either?) RK> Have you RTFM? Have you actually tried this? The +/- keys on the RK> numeric keypad *do* increment animations, framestore images and CG pages. RK> And then by pressing "Enter" on the keypad you can load them to preview. More? [Y/n/c] From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without the long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method? JEC> What Topeka "genius"... ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from memory. I hate this kind of thinking.... "Oh, you don't need it anymore, at all? Well, you have to go into it, in order to tell the system that you don't want to go into it in the 1st place." Ugh. Double "ugh", for the fact that Toaster v2.0 (and even v1.0!) had a faster SHIFT-CLICK method than v3.0, but it's now been specifically removed. I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety". Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to. --- CNet/3 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Amiga ShareWare HeadQuarters 313-473-2020 (1:2410/207) Message Command: Message #1425 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 21 Nov 93 15:08:40 From: Jim Selleck To: Jeff Lindstrom Subj: Re: Rendering speed On Thu 18-Nov-1993 12:08p, Jeff Lindstrom said to Jim Selleck: JL> Is there an aftermarket 040 processor card for the A4000 that will JL> operate at a reasonable SPEED??? JL> Check with RCS (Toronto, CA, as I recall). They were designing a JL> 4000-specific accelerator with a 40 MHz 68040. One concern is memory JL> access speed. Be sure to check on that. Thanks! It wasn't the clock speed specifically, by the way, according to my conversation with Lee Stranahan, it seems that a 25 MHz 040 card made by Commodore/Amiga, just works TWICE AS SLOW as one made by just about any aftermarket company (same numbers!). He really did not know WHY. I think he also mentioned an A4000 upgrade processor card called the "Excalibur" accellerator (I THINK...). Anyone here of that? More? [Y/n/c] --- CNet/3 * Origin: Future World! (CNet HQ) Detroit, MI 313-255-2464 (1:2410/215) Message Command: Message #1426 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 08:42:06 From: Barb Hamilton To: Dave Wells Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us Re: the wj-ave5 mixer. It WILL work on the toaster as it has 2 frame syncs, whereas the MX10 and 12 units have only one. I use my ave5 with my toaster all the time. There is a correct way to hook up to access both sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as substitute TBCs). --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1427 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 22:20:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Scott Marlowe Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas Scott Marlowe toad Mike Nielsen about Toaster problem-any ideasSMQuoting Mike Nielson: >I am on my 2nd replacement Toaster and I am perplexed. >I am reluctant to send this one back until I have isolated the problem >and proved to myself that it is the Toaster and not my A2000. > >Here is the setup: >Amiga 2000 rev 6.2, PP&S 040 board with 8 megs of ram, DKB Megachip SMupgrade, >Trumpcard Pro SCSI controller, one 340 meg drive, one 40 meg drive, one >floppy, one Toaster 4000 board with the 3.0 software. > >The computer itself runs flawlessly. No problem with video output. One >slight problem symptom: The power LED does not light up. In fact, when >all cards are stripped out of the machine, the LED still does not light More? [Y/n/c] SMup. > >Now the problem: >When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I >mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video SMSounds like a Computer problem to me too. First off, try the Toaster in SManother Amiga if possible to prove to yourself that it is in fact the SMAmiga it is plugged into that is the problem. I brought home the Toaster 2.0 (old board) from work. It has no problems in my computer... Sheesh. SMWhen you say you try it with all the cards pulled, are you also pulling SMthe DKB Megachip 2000? No, I can't because I sent in my old Agnus for credit with Grapevine. SMIt sounds to me like your Denise chip is marginal, or your SMAgnus. Try running without the DKB MegaChip (assuming you have the SMoriginal 1 Meg Agnus on hand) and try changing the Denise also. More? [Y/n/c] I will check this out. SMAlso, SMcheck what rev A2000 motherboard you are running. If it is an early SMrev 4, No it is 6.2. Thanks for the leads, Scott. The success of the old board in my computer has me very perplexed. Could there be some wierd problem that manifests on the new board but not on the old because of some bad components in my A2000? Right now, that is what I am thinking. The fact that the power led does not operate is suspicious. * Wave Rider 1.0 [NR] * ... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1428 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 23:23:11 From: Rodney Volkmar To: Joe Angell Subj: Re: Problems getting AG-1 JA> I just got a Panasonic 1970 edit deck, one of those nice ones with the JA> built-in TBC. I hooked it up to my Toaster and got some wierd noise JA> pattern. It's not like when you hok an ordinary VCR to the Toaster, but JA> rather some horizontal lines going across the lower portion of the main You need to do an inturnal setting to get the bandwith out of consumer mode, simple, but i donnot have the spec's on me.. * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff228/c] * Origin: Lightning System III - Stateline, Nv. (1:203/36) Message Command: Message #1429 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 00:28:11 From: Rodney Volkmar To: Alan Chan Subj: Re: Scenery Animator AC> I've just been playing with a real old program called Scenery Animator AC> (the UI looks like it comes from way back in the WorkBench1.3 days..) AC> and was very amazed at the results! It'll load DEM files and allow you AC> keyframe an animated flythrough of the area, a lot more easier (to me) AC> than Vistapro ever did.. AC> My question is, is there an update to this program, and does anybody AC> know how I can import Lightwave scene files or motion graphs into it? AC> The keyframe facility that comes with Scenery Animator does not support AC> spline movements, and its settings (scene) files are not in ASCII format AC> either.. any help out there? Try scenery animator 2.0, I'll sell my for 35 if you want it, it will load .GEO objects. More? [Y/n/c] * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff228/c] * Origin: Lightning System III - Stateline, Nv. (1:203/36) Message Command: Message #1430 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 22 Nov 93 09:04:00 From: Ken Bouchard To: Ron Kramer Subj: Whats the cheapest Non-Real-T Well I think it is the same one. Today I will know, make sure it is the same thing. The one that Sears sells, is made by Reveal. One wonders what else you can do with this card. It obviously has some sort of a GenLock to put the TV video into sync with your VGA. I can tell that it definitely, does direct access to the VGA, as you can tell the picture especially when they do a pan, flickers slightly. (Although it is said to be non-interlaced..) So therefore, it is not just taking over the VGA card, but sending the info on to it. So almost any capture program can take advantage of it. They put a lot of nice features into the thing, overall... It's a lot more than just a TV set... --- RoboBOARD/FX 1.00e * Origin: (1:328/102) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1431 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 01:33:17 From: Terry Mundy To: Scott Pessoni Subj: Ferral Micro 4:2:2 for sale Scott, I know this is the Video_Toaster echo to I would like to direct your attention to the Amiga_4 sale echo. I will tell you what I have that may be of great interest to you! Terry PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay? --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1432 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 23 Nov 93 02:00:18 From: Terry Mundy To: Jeff Dehaven Subj: Rumor So tell me what that external math calculations stuff means anyway. I don't have Imagine. But if it's what I think it is, that will be neat to have 25 pictures on my hard drive and be able to use them All in my animation without the need for extra RAM. If this is true, all I've got to say is "Way to go Allen!" Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1433 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 24 Nov 93 07:11:38 From: Rich Koster To: Bill Beogelein Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi Bill! On Sunday, November 21st '93 you wrote to me: BB> What causes this *PROGRAM* out flashing, anyway? I'm a Toaster owner, not a Toaster programmer! ;-) BB> RK> The +/- keys on the numeric keypad *do* increment animations, BB> RK> framestore images and CG pages. And then by pressing "Enter" BB> RK> on the keypad you can load them to preview. BB> BB> From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without BB> the long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method? Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for animations, More? [Y/n/c] framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've actually tried it now since you posted your first message saying it was *not* possible! ;-) Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what can be selected from the numeric keypad. BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"... BB> BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from BB> memory. I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works for me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I don't know why you can't get it to work. BB> I hate this kind of thinking.... BB> "Oh, you don't need it anymore, at all? Well, you have to go into it, BB> in order to tell the system that you don't want to go into it in the 1st BB> place." Ugh. BB> More? [Y/n/c] BB> Double "ugh", for the fact that Toaster v2.0 (and even v1.0!) had a BB> faster SHIFT-CLICK method than v3.0, but it's now been specifically BB> removed. Not on mine. But have you noticed that you no longer have to Double-Click to start up a crouton once you are inside the Toaster? This makes things much faster! (Like a nanosecond! ;-) You now just have to single click (even when the following weren't loaded into memory already): Paint, CG, 3D, Modeller, and ChromaFX. BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety". BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to. Sounds like you need to wear a helmet when you operate the Toaster, Bill! I don't know why you say these things don't work when they actually do... :) --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1434 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 13:03:26 From: Sam Kanter To: Scott Marlowe Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >You're right. I've tested this. Have a friend who had both pieces of >software installed on his A2000 (Toaster 4000, first 29 disks, and >Toaster 3.0, 29 disks also) We were using his old T2000 while waiting >for his T4000 to come back from repairs. T2000 ONLY worked on 3.0, -More- Hmmmm... interesting, Scott. Any comments from double-up customers who are selling their 3.0 versions??? (Ron?) --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1435 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 13:09:19 From: Sam Kanter To: Coniah Chuang Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT >After discussions with DPS and professional VTR suppliers, it is clear that >the problem with using a composite signal with the Video Toaster is not the >TBC or the Video Toaster, but with the record deck. The filtering required >to convert the composite signal back into its Y/C components may degrade the >signal by as much as 25%, depending on the quality of the decks. The >combination of the decoding and writing to tape is the cause of the majority >of the degradation, not the cable type. Coniah, I find this interesting but a little unclear. What kind of system are you talking about (source/record decks, composite/Y/C)? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1436 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 22 Nov 93 7:28:48 From: PETER Greci To: All Subj: Wassup? Howdy Folks. Any new Screamer info out there?? PETER GRECI MIDGARD GRAPHICS Phone 718-714-1423 Creators of 3D Animation and Special FX. --- CNet/3 * Origin: The Trade-N-Post (AMIGA) NYC [6Gigs 4Lines]718-847-4439(1:2603/207) (1:2603/207) Message Command: Message #1437 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 22 Nov 93 11:22:24 From: Jim Selleck To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE On Sun 14-Nov-1993 1:00a, Sam Kanter said to Rich Koster: SK> You'thinks wrong. I was advocating selling the registered copy of the SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal? SK> I'm sure this is what the other users had in mind... Sam, as a software publisher, I can tell you that it MIGHT be prohibited, but "it depends". Generally, when you buy software and then SELL any version of it to someone else, you are transferring to them your RIGHT TO USE that software (ALL versions of it) as well as the physical byte patterns and docs. However, it is up to the publisher of that software to make the specific rules. Therefore, only NewTek can say what the answer to this question is. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Future World! (CNet HQ) Detroit, MI 313-255-2464 (1:2410/215) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1438 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 24 Nov 93 07:39:35 From: KENNETH GUNTON To: RON KRAMER Subj: Full frame TBCs without s If you take the preview output of the Toaster and tee it into the genlock of each TBC, everything will be locked up, and it should work even in fast forward or rewind. What kind of TBC do you have? Have you seen the new Feral Effect with compression (PIP)? --- GOMail v1.2 [BETA] [DEMO] 12-15-93 * Origin: Digital EFX! * 817-588-2915 * Amiga Specific * V.32B (1:130/813) Message Command: Message #1439 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 24 Nov 93 18:24:18 From: Ben Spicher To: J Eric Chard Subj: Aspect Ratio Change... From AMi 2 Mac... What is it anyways? --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: C:Directory 919-787-6211 Raleigh,NC 100% Amiga! (1:151/115.0) Message Command: Message #1440 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 24 Nov 93 18:53:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips J Eric Chard "toad" Mike Nielsen about Lightwave Speed Up Tips: JE> While this is true, TRACE SHADOWS actually defaults to off. Yes, that is right, so you get no shadows at all. I forgot about that. JE>However, if a light is set to SHADOW MAP, you will get shadow-mapped JE>shadows even while TRACE SHADOWS >>is<< off. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? JE> To get the fastest render vis-a-vis shadows, all lights' shadow JE>types should be set to OFF. * But that would give you no shadows at all, would it? Are you using vis-a-vis in a new way that I don't understand More? [Y/n/c] JE> Geez, kinda confusing. Yes, now I am perplexed... JE> Also, play with the AA threshold number. I find the default, "8" JE>to be 'way too conservative. I usually set it at 15 or 20. Ah ha. There is a good tip. I just went over to the Toaster and tested this one out. That sped up a simple render by 4 seconds. Thanks. JE> Also, proper setting of the object shadow attributes can result JE>mucho speed increase. Yep. I knew this but I left it out. I thought they guy wanted to at least get the scene sped up somewhat. I think going from RT to SM would be the first and biggest step towards faster rendering. BTW, thanks for the other tips. Can you explain * above a bit more? * Wave Rider 1.0 [NR] * ... UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1441 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:45 From: Alan Chan To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: ToasterLink In a message dated 21 Nov 93 08:34:14, J Eric Chard wrote: JEC> "Considering"? Toaster Link has been around for a long JEC> time. JEC> Kinda ludicrous, except that it allows transparent MAC/Toaster xfer, JEC> even JEC> doing the aspect ratio change automagically. Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0 / 4000 yet? Ever since I saw the Photoshop in action I've been CRAVING a Mac to tie into my Toaster... (schwing!) How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink convert, like, framestores to something Photoshop-readable? Anybody know? --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1442 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:48 From: Alan Chan To: Terry Mundy Subj: Re: Field Rendering In a message dated 21 Nov 93 18:08:24, Terry Mundy wrote: TM> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why TM> the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving? TM> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that TM> I can use the output frames for my ads? Simple, there's a button on the Camera menu to enable/disable Field Rendering.. 'course, you will now get six thousand messages from everyone else telling you the same thing.. funny thing, cyberspace.. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1443 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 18:50 From: Alan Chan To: Bill Beogelein Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote: BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety". BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to. It was done for your own safety. (Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.) --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1444 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 18:54:36 From: Ron Kramer To: PETER Greci Subj: Re: "LightWave PRO" PG> Hmmm, I saw the Anim oif the Windmill on a local BBS, I PG> think it was here on Trade N Post. About 1 meg file. PG> --- I did a search for it here on my board and there it was... I got so much online I can`t keep track of it. thanks for the note. The anim is cool. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1445 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 24 Nov 93 17:47:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Terry Mundy Subj: Field Rendering -> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was wondering why -> the rendered picture has funny lines around an object that is moving? -> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I disable it so that -> I can use the output frames for my ads? The default setting in the camera menu is with field rendering off. If it is on simply turn it off. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1446 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 24 Nov 93 18:59:34 From: Michael Eng To: Mark Warren Subj: Re: Toaster 4000 Bug???? Thanks for the reply -Mike- --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * 6 Gigs * (1:261/1137) Message Command: Message #1447 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 26 Nov 93 18:08:25 From: Karl Feltner To: Kenneth Gunton Subj: Re: Full frame TBCs without s How do you avoid double termination of the signal with tee adapters?? I have called Ferral at least three times and the PIP is still vaporware. In fact the two people I spoke to didn't know what Arexx was. I think it will be a while before we see the PIP TBC. --- Star-Net v1.02 * Origin: ToasterPro BBS. 215-356-7442 14.4 24hrs (1:273/320.0) Message is reply to #1438. Message Command: Message #1448 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 09:46:16 From: J Eric Chard To: Tim Krego Subj: No Upgrade *In a message dated 19 Nov 93 21:00:21 Tim Krego writes: TK> RK> There is the upgrade to LightWave Pro which is available now for TK> $75 TK> RK> plus $5 for shipping. TK> RK> TK> RK> Then they told me that starting in January there will be another TK> RK> upgrade which LightWave Pro owners can get for $40 plus $5 for TK> RK> shipping. TK> TK> Do you have a special number to order the upgrade? Is this for the TK> 4000 Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded TK> LW. Take a deeeeppppp breath. The original poster meant "Pixel Pro", not "Lightwave Pro", which of course doesn't exist. More? [Y/n/c] *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1449 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 23 Nov 93 19:39:04 From: Terry Mundy To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: Re: Community Animation *In a message dated 20 Nov 93 12:06:11 Dan Bloomfield writes: > -> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together on > at > -> least one thing. > -> > -> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or > -> another, in a Toaster net community video? > -> > -> What I mean by that is, everyone will submit something to an > -> animation then pass it on to the next person for scene motion. If > -> you feel like it an object can be donated if your a little shy on > the > -> creativity of motion or just don't have the time. > -> > -> We may not agree on all things, but we all DO frequent this board, More? [Y/n/c] > -> and I believe that we should be able to put together a very > -> tremendous looking animation. > The local guys around here have talked about doing some kind of > project > for next years Siggraph show but so far that's all it is- talk. To > get a > large group of people even locally to co-operate together and > actually > deliver on what they say they will do is very hard. My feeling is > that > great works of art are never produced by committee, they are the > vision > of a single artist. > --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta I think I understand. Here in the Heart of America, thing are slow, and so are people. I just was wanting all of us to pitch in and have some little part in a small animatition by us Toaster_Users. Maybe it can still happen. I'll leave the message around a little while longer to see what other people have to say. More? [Y/n/c] Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1450 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 24 Nov 93 23:05:23 From: Terry Mundy To: Alan Chan Subj: Re: Community Animation >*In a message dated 15 Nov 93 22:43:12, Terry Mundy wrote: TM> I am wondering if it's possible for all of us to come together TM> on at least one thing. TM> Wouldn't it be pretty neat if we can all take part, in one way or TM> another, in a Toaster net community video? >*In a message dated Sat 20 Nov 93 20:33 Alan Chan responds: AC> I'm interested! Anyone else? Thanks Alan! I should mention that what I had in mind was a community video animation. Hope you and others are interested enough that we may see this take off! eh? More? [Y/n/c] Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1451 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 25 Nov 93 13:57:48 From: Rich Koster To: Alan Chan Subj: re: ToasterLink Hi Alan! On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to J Eric Chard: AC> Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0 AC> / 4000 yet? Mark Randall announced here on this echo that it was being worked on and would be released, but no release date has been announced yet. AC> How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink convert, like, framestores AC> to something Photoshop-readable? Hold onto something, Alan... ;-) Yes, it converts these during transfer, automatically! :) More? [Y/n/c] --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1452 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 25 Nov 93 13:59:02 From: Rich Koster To: Alan Chan Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi Alan! On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to Bill Beogelein: AC> In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote: AC> AC> BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety". AC> BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to. AC> AC> It was done for your own safety. AC> AC> (Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.) He wrote that you could not unload ToasterPaint by Shift-Clicking the Paint button in Toaster 4000. More? [Y/n/c] Not true. You can. So how can that be a bug? --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1453 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 25 Nov 93 11:45:20 From: Chris Baugh To: Gregg Mercede Subj: Toaster/PC On (18 Nov 93) Gregg Mercede wrote to Chris Baugh... GM> I didn't realize they were even considering the Mac. Toaster for the Mac is simply a standard Video Toaster in an Amiga, plus software only for the Mac to put the Toaster's control panel on the Mac's monitor, and transfer graphics files between the two machines. Newtek hasn't announced anything about hardware for the Mac itself to have the card doing the video processing. There are similar cards for the Mac, but they cost a lot more have different kinds of features than the Toaster. --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: from the Pacific Northwest! (1:105/290.5) Message Command: Message #1454 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 25 Nov 93 11:47:21 From: Chris Baugh To: J Eric Chard Subj: Saturation of a pixel On (19 Nov 93) J Eric Chard wrote to Chris Baugh... JE> min=minimum(r,g,b) JE> max=maximum(r,g,b) JE> saturation= (max-min)/max As you said: JE> No duh. --- PPoint 1.70 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: from the Pacific Northwest! (1:105/290.5) Message Command: Message #1455 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:43 From: Nancy Kowall To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE SK> You'thinks wrong. I was advocating selling the registered copy of the SK> Toaster 3.0 and keeping a backup for my own use. Is this illegal? SK> I'm sure this is what the other users had in mind... That is exactly my ethical dilemma at the moment- it SEEMS like it should be OK but I KNOW it is wrong... (sigh) --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1456 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:47 From: Nancy Kowall To: Tim Krego Subj: re: Football Helmet Objec TK> 4000 Toaster? I didn't hear anything from NewTek about an upgraded TK> LW. I am getting more and more fed up with NewTek's attitude- I am AGAIN having trouble trouble with my THIRD Toaster_4000 board after installing FastLane and called them to see if they had any suggestions. They didn't want to listen to anything- just kept saying "we'll send a new board...". Then promised a callback for a cross-ship authorization which never came. ANyway, the board settled down altho' I am keeping a jaded eye on it. Seemed to me a HEAT problem which we may have solved by removing extra plates in the back of the 4000 and keeping the a/c on even in November! (shiver) They have no real tech support anymore .... --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1457 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 13:53 From: Nancy Kowall To: Joe Cross Subj: re: Toaster/PC JC> Even Nancy wasn't into heavy video production when she purchased her JC> Toaster. She explained it sometime back but I forget the full story. Actually, we bought it to complete a "video term paper" that my kid got me into- from there we have gone into a dozen or so more videos- some pretty decent (toot, toot) for various people (a movie guy, a grieving family, historical tape, architectural tape, birthday memorabilia for an 80 yr-old, etc) but have yet to C H A R G E any money (or MAKE any money)! There Is money to be made and I am still hoping that my kid (19) will begin to smell the money and take off with it- I see tremendous opportunities available... --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1458 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 14:02 From: Nancy Kowall To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas MN> camera on input one, and with TBC video on input one; none of these MN> has any MN> influence on the problem. MN> I have also tried adjusting the horizontal sync on the Toaster (the MN> little MN> pot on the board). I can screw it up pretty well, but when I move it MN> back MN> to what seems to be the best position in terms of picture quality, MN> the MN> problem persists. MN> I know I can just send it in and get a replacement but right now I MN> want to MN> prove to myself that the problem is not in my computer. Strange MN> problem, More? [Y/n/c] MN> no? Not so strange if you are trying to use a MULTI-SYNC monitor- but it couldn't be that simple. I empathize with you regardless. 1950's etal need SYNC-STRAINER- just a thought... --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1459 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 26 Nov 93 00:06:52 From: Rich Koster To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi Dan! On Thursday, November 25th '93 you wrote to me: DB> -> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works DB> -> for me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I DB> -> don't know why you can't get it to work. DB> I have the same annoying problem. This may be a bug in the 3.0 software DB> for the 2000. Since you are running the 4000 software and it still works DB> the way it used to. Well, that sounds like what's going on. Have you guys contacted NewTek? I here revised software will be shipped out soon, so it would be nice for those in your boat to be sure they know about the bug. More? [Y/n/c] --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1460 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 22 Nov 93 11:22:00 From: Vinny Lopez To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Toaster problem-any idea MN>When the Toaster is first booted, I get terrible horizontal noise, and I MN>mean pure horizontal--straight across the screen, lines of video MN>interference. It seems possible connected to (could this be possible?) hard MN>disk access but then again, even after the hard disk has settled down, the MN>noise persists. Now, wierder still, after a while (maybe 15 minutes) the MN>noise gradually goes away. After the machine has been on for a longer MN>period of time, the noise is totally gone. Hmm, Sounds like you've got a solder joint somewhere that is expanding as the unit heats up, and makes a complete connection eliminating the problem. The big question is where is it? Since it involves the toaster, could it be on the motherboard at the video slot connector? just guessin here. * SLMR 2.1a * I'm not really a Kennedy...My pants just fell off! More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1461 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 25 Nov 93 10:35:22 From: Ron Kramer To: John Fluharty Subj: Video machine JF> stand a little competition? I thought competition made JF> companys improve products. Sorta like free trade. JF> Open the markets. To bad this subboard is not on JF> video. It is on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can anyone JF> tell me where I can find a Video subbaord that is really a video subboard. You can do like we did and start one. The reason we don`t want to talk video machine, isn`t because we can`t take the competition, but rather we don`t care to pay for or wade through messages that we personally have no interest in. I started this echo over 2 years ago. We voted and spun off a video-toaster echo from the Amiga_video echo last summer and this is where it landed. Apparently some folks can`t seem to handle the fact that its called video, in short for video-toaster. If they must see it in writing then we will make the change in the near future. (as Im able to find the More? [Y/n/c] time) Again to answer your question you can start a video-machine echo, or you could slide over to PRO-VIDEO which is another video type echo. Good luck in your quest. mod. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1462 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 25 Nov 93 10:44:12 From: Ron Kramer To: Terry Mundy Subj: Field Rendering TM> I got a chance to play with Toaster 3.0 and LW3.0. Was TM> wondering why the rendered picture has funny lines TM> around an object that is moving? TM> Is LW3.0 rendering fields now? If so, how would I It can as an option yes. In animation it makes them much smoother. TM> disable it so that I can use the output frames for my ads? Yup TM> Please don't ask me if I RTFM, because I am just TM> looking to buy 3.0 first. If it can't be defeated, I It can, so buy the upgrade and you`ll find it in the FM. One can`t be to carefull these days with LRave floating around. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1463 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 25 Nov 93 10:48:20 From: Ron Kramer To: Joe Cross Subj: re: Toaster/PC SM> good cam-corder. JC> Many people purchased the Toaster and do not need TBCs JC> because they're not outputting their images to JC> videotape. Out putting doesn`t require a TBC, inputing any taped video into the toaster does. You can input from live camera or TV without a TBC. JC> have a friend in Philly who uses a Toaster and has a JC> Sony 5000 camcorder. He likes playing around with the JC> images that he brings into the Toaster--that's it. the V5000 camcorder has a built in TBC. So a external TBC is not required with this unit. I sold mine last spring - and sorry I did... its a excellent cam-corder. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1464 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 23 Nov 93 13:53:00 From: Rick Lee To: Sam Kanter Subj: Y/c And component On 11-20-93 SAM KANTER wrote to MARK WARREN... SK> videographers and industrial users who use S-VHS and Hi-8. Sam, I use S-VHS and HI-8, I also use D2, 1 inch, BetaCam SP, 3/4SP, MII. I have done everything from consumer video, industrial and broadcast video. I have the advantage of having access to all these formats because my studio is in a duplication house. (I used to work for them until the Toaster opened up the door for my own business). D2 is a composite format, as well as 1 inch. 1 inch has been the dominant broadcast format for alot of years and is still in wide use. Component formats were invented to help with generational loss in the editing process. But when the edited master is broadcast 90% of what you see is coming out of a composite signal no matter what the format. This to is More? [Y/n/c] changing but alot of TV and cable broadcasters can't afford to buy component switchers and DA's. The point is composite video was the only type available until the last few years. There is nothing wrong with a good composite signal. SK> That does make sense, but unfortunately is impossible with the current SK> Toaster hardware. Once the signal is composite, it stays composite -- SK> even SK> if you can get Y/C cables in and out of it. The Toaster is a composite SK> device. You are correct that the Toaster itself is a composite I/O device. However the video signal is handled in the digital domain internally. It uses the same type of digital signal that D2 uses. When an external transcoder is used such as Y/C Plus it hooks directly up to the digital buss. Thus the Toaster is now a Y/C device. This is not true component however. I thought I heard somewhere that some one was coming out with a true component transcoder for the Toaster More? [Y/n/c] that would hook up to the internal digital buss. If this is true the Toaster would then become a true component device. But I can say that when I have run 1st generation BetaCam SP tapes thru using the composite inputs the end results were great. Alot of people don't realize that you must have good footage to start with. This means making sure video levels are properly set and using good lighting techniques. A good TBC and waveform/vector scope are essential for good video as well. --- * OFFLINE 1.56 --- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93 * Origin: Springfield RBBS * Dane, Wis 608-849-5842 (1:121/26) Message Command: Message #1465 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Thu 25 Nov 93 12:48 From: Alan Chan To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade In a message dated 24 Nov 93 07:11:38, Rich Koster wrote: BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"... BB> BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from BB> memory. RK> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works RK> for me RK> on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I don't RK> know RK> why you can't get it to work. Hmm.. mebbe we need to keep reminding each other what systems we're running.. I have an old Toaster card with new software, and I have that same More? [Y/n/c] problem. I assume 4000 software does not have that bug.. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1466 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 25 Nov 93 09:07:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Daniel Thomas Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas? Thanks, Daniel. I notice that when I tap the power supply, the problem manifests. I tapped other components and nothing happens. Also, the fact that my power led will not light suggests something is wrong. Strange that it does not manifest on the old board that I have (I brought an old Toaster board home from work as a test.) Right now, the power supply does indeed appear to be the culprit. I am going to do one more test where I take the new Toaster into work and install it in that machine and look at the output. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1467 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 26 Nov 93 01:28:08 From: Mark Weiss To: Thomas Couey Subj: Re: Amiga TC> I have a 486DX2 66, and I can vouch for that 10 fps at TC> 640X480... Jeez it's slow... (This is with Video for TC> Windows...) That's because your memory is runing at 33 mhz and so is your secondary cache RAM. You also need a video card with a faster, wider bandwidth. FYI, we've been running 812x632 animations on a 1280x1024x24-bit display for the past month at 30fps, verifyable by videotape frame-by frame analysis. We're doing this on a true DX-50Mhz machine with a local bus at 50mhz and enough RAM to hold the 4 second animation. Mark --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Treasure Island =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1468 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Wed 24 Nov 93 20:27 From: Ralph Garamozian To: Chris Baugh Subj: Re: Lightwave Speed Up Tips In a message dated 19 Nov 93 14:19:19, Chris Baugh wrote: CB> You could render just the lens flare in Lightwave, the rest of the CB> scene in Imagine, and composite the two together. I think that would be kind of hard to synchronize together. Interesting idea though... I'll have to think about it. --- DLG Pro v1.0 /DLGMail * Origin: n (1:140/90) Message Command: Message #1469 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Fri 26 Nov 93 9:03 From: Alan Chan To: Terry Mundy Subj: Re: Community Animation In a message dated 24 Nov 93 23:05:23, Terry Mundy wrote: TM> I should mention that what I had in mind was a community video TM> animation. Hope you and others are interested enough that we may see TM> this take off! eh? I'm game if you get enough people together. It'll be a long drawn-out affair, I bet, 'cos of distance and everything, but it'd be interesting... keep me informed! =) --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1470 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: Fri 26 Nov 93 9:06 From: Alan Chan To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade In a message dated 25 Nov 93 13:59:02, Rich Koster wrote: RK> On Wednesday, November 24th '93 you wrote to Bill Beogelein: AC> In a message dated 21 Nov 93 5:57:43, Bill Beogelein wrote: AC> AC> BB> I hope no one is going to say, "It was done for your own safety". AC> BB> Which I'll give a TRIPLE "ugh" to. AC> AC> It was done for your own safety. AC> AC> (Actually it looks more like a very obvious bug to me.) RK> He wrote that you could not unload ToasterPaint by Shift-Clicking the RK> Paint button in Toaster 4000. More? [Y/n/c] RK> Not true. You can. RK> So how can that be a bug? As I posted a day or so ago, I think we're all talking about different software and hardware configurations, which is why we're always arguing Message #1471 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 19:07:43 From: Rich Koster To: Alan Chan Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi Alan! On Thursday, November 25th '93 you wrote to me: AC> Hmm.. mebbe we need to keep reminding each other what systems we're AC> running.. I have an old Toaster card with new software, and I have that AC> same problem. I assume 4000 software does not have that bug.. That's right. I have the A4000 running Toaster 4000. Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on NewTek's back saying that they've done something deliberately... It looks like this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some dire conspiracy. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1472 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 00:22:41 From: Sam Kanter To: Barb Hamilton Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US Re WJAVE-5... I recommend John Cooksy'e WJAVE-5 luminance enhancer. It gives luminance control and actually ADDS 60 lines of resolution to the WJAVE-5, with no additional noise... --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1473 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 25 Nov 93 15:08:21 From: Joe Freeman To: Mark Weiss Subj: Re: Toast MW> Well, agreed there. There is a kind of fanaticism shared by Amiga MW> users that one can only compare with Islamic Fundamentalism in terms of MW> the amount of intolorance of other's platforms. MW> I priced out a system last year at a dealer in Woodbury called MW> InfoTronics and although it was a nice toy that can do some interesting MW> things for very little $$$, I wouldn't attempt to do network production MW> on it. You should follow me over to the OS-Debate echo, where an MW> interesting discussion about this matter is currently in progress. It's true that there are a lot of solutions for video work on all the platforms at all different price ranges and different functionality....Even on the Amiga there are other ways to get there from here.. For years I used dctv for realtime More? [Y/n/c] playback in full ntsc of my animations and my clients loved it.... The point is that most of the video work that we do down here in the trenches is not for broadcast TV.. I have a few things that have gone on to the cable system for the general public but most of the work an amiga animator does is logo/product demo/instructional/training aid graphics that don't go any farther than 3/4 or hi 8 master and then to vhs copies... This is the real world. Most videographers that have been in it a while don't feel that comfortable with computers for graphics at all.. They just about can use a machine for billing and correspondence..There a are a lot of new houses that are small and are using Toasters but are not primarily computer graphic friendly. The toaster has been successful in this market because it gives a well rounded package of functionality if you want it.. Every module is worth the price of the entire unit and the package blows away anything else on any other platform in it's price range. Cheaper options on other platforms are workable but so limited More? [Y/n/c] that they are not wise investments for the general video house.. I have been reading here about some off topic options for full motion video on 486's and I would direct you to check out the specs on a product for Amiga called The Personal Animation Recorder. With the dedicated hard drive it is about 2200frns and it will do full motion video at 30fps in 24bit/JPEG realtime playback directly off it's hard drive...That is at FULL Overscan.. The storage on the hd is about about 5-7 minute of unique video frames and more if you put the same frames together in different ways.. This blows away any of the lame MAC or Beem "movie stuff out there (which is fine for some teleconferencing and presentation kiosks but not much use for any real world video) The Video Junky * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] * --- CNet XFIDO 2.63 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Acquisition Bbs - (616)671-4559 - (1:2201/41) Message Command: Message #1474 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 00:56:46 From: Jimmy Wright To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Say it! SK>>.....What does he stan for?? SK> SK>I'd love to tell you what Limbaugh stans (sic) for, but the topic is SK>off limit here. SK> SK>Anyway, like jazz, if you don't know what it is, no one can explain SK>it. --- TBBS v2.1/NM .. well why can we talk... --- MsgToss 2.0c (r) * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange (804)877-3539 -2-Lines- FREE (1:271/270) Message Command: Message #1475 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 27 Nov 93 01:44:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade No I haven't contacted NewTek, I don't use ToasterPaint enough for it to be more than a minor irritation. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1476 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 10:24:58 From: Joe Cross To: John Fluharty Subj: Video machine JF> Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts? JF> Change the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his JF> point. Our high school just bought a Video Machine and we would like JF> to talk to aother people that have one. So I find an echo called video JF> which appears to be for video of all types and the moderator keeps JF> telling people they are not allowed to talk about the video machine. JF> Is the toaster that bad that it can't stand a little competition? I JF> thought competition made companys improve products. Sorta like free JF> trade. Open the markets. To bad this subboard is not on video. It is JF> on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can anyone tell me where I can find a JF> Video subbaord that is really a video subboard. Nice that your high school uses a PC. There is the Pro-Video Echo that may or may not contain discussions of the Video Machine. I haven't visited that Echo but once and although I do not own a Toaster I enjoy this Echo very much. More? [Y/n/c] [joe] --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.4w5 * Origin: Mouse Trap * Serving Amigas Since 1987 * 619-464-2134 (1:202/122) Message Command: Message #1477 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 27 Nov 93 08:14:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Vinny Lopez Subj: Toaster problem-any idea Thanks for the reply Vinny. The problem is getting worse. I have decided to start with the power supply. I ordered a Big Foot 300 watt. I am going to see if that fixes it. I suspect it will. If that doesn't work, I will do a motherboard swap with R&C, the repair place the advertises in Amiga World. I figure even if it not the PS, at least I will have a better PS when I am finished. I noticed that when I tap the PS lightly, the problem immediately shows on the Toaster output screen. If I tap the MB, I do get the same immediate response. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1478 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 12:27:04 From: Ron Kramer To: Barb Hamilton Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us BH> sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as BH> substitute TBCs). the mx10 and 12 can be used as one TBC on the toaster, the AVE5 can be used as both yes, but the quality is less then standalone TBCs, The quality on even the mx10 was fine for VHS but would degrade any high quality/res video. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1479 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 12:32:02 From: Ron Kramer To: Terry Mundy Subj: Ferral Micro 4:2:2 for sale TM> PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay? No problem Terry! - it the items are of interest to video-toaster users (TBCs, VIDEO stuff) then feel free to post them to the toaster users here as well. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1480 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 27 Nov 93 15:05:11 From: Mark Woollard To: All Subj: ToasterFX -> I unsuccessfully tried calling Byrd's Eye Software, maker of -> ToasterFX at the Austin Tx number that worked a couple of months ago. -> I wanted to know when it would be shipping (if not already). -> -> Does anyone have a new number for the company, or have any up-to-date -> info on the product's status? (The old number was 512 835-4811.) To answer my own question, Byrd's Eye Software is reachable by phone at (512) 794-8250. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1481 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 27 Nov 93 13:11:48 From: Jeff Dallacqua To: Mark Weiss Subj: Re: Amiga MW> TC> I have a 486DX2 66, and I can vouch for that 10 fps at MW> TC> 640X480... Jeez it's slow... (This is with Video for MW> TC> Windows...) MW>That's because your memory is runing at 33 mhz and so is your secondary cac MW>RAM. You also need a video card with a faster, wider bandwidth. FYI, we've MW>been running 812x632 animations on a 1280x1024x24-bit display for the past MW>month at 30fps, verifyable by videotape frame-by frame analysis. We're doin MW>this on a true DX-50Mhz machine with a local bus at 50mhz and enough RAM to MW>hold the 4 second animation. Just wanted to point out that Video for Windows is not a good way at all to measure animation capabilitys. It doesn't even write directly to the More? [Y/n/c] frame buffer for crying out loud! And also, the .AVI format uses some type of compression method so whenever it is played back, the CPU has to decompress it on-the-fly. One more thing, remember that with that type of system, they're updating the whole picture every frame per second while animations done, with say, Autodesk Animator only update the the actual changes(Let's say you crete a .FLI of a ball, bouncing around on a non-changing background. When playing it back, the only thing that will be updated is the ball and the background it passes over). Don't they refer to the "change rate" of an animation by it's Delta rate or something? --- Renegade v07-17 Beta * Origin: The Warp Zone - USR-DS Simi, CA - (805) 526-6196 (1:102/1013) Message Command: Message #1482 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 27 Nov 93 10:02:21 From: Barb Hamilton To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US Will have to check out Cooksey's luminance enhancer. I have both of his tapes on the Digital Mixer and he is a very creative person. In spite of what many people think, the AVE5 does work fine as a tbc for the toaster, tho it would be nice if the bandwidth were greater. :) --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1483 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 26 Nov 93 11:26:04 From: Grady Third To: All Subj: 3000/Toaster Wanted I am in need of the following: Amiga 3000 with: 25Mhz, minimum 105MB HD, minimum 6 MB RAM Video Toaster 2.0 with 2.0 software If you have any of the above, please call Grady Third at (808) 833-8966 so we can negotiate a price and get it delivered as soon as possible. ___ X WinQwk 1.30 #0 X Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1484 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 21 Nov 93 11:21:02 From: Joe Freeman To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 RK> Hi J! RK> On Thursday, November 11th '93 you wrote to me: JEC> RK> been improved, in-sync sound accompanies some of the dramatic JEC> RK> new effects JEC> ^^^^^^^^^ JEC> ??? Is this true of Toaster 2000's? RK> Amiga 2000s running Toaster 3.0? I don't know. Anyone here have that RK> set up? I've got the Toaster 4000 in my Amiga 4000, so sorry, I can't RK> help you there. I have the VT4000 card in an A2000 running GVP 040/33. It works fine.. The audio effects sound fine.. I don't get the last two banks of effects.. the effects I do get are better than the old one I used with the 2.0 set up at More? [Y/n/c] Public Access except for the small square sparkle (that's what I call it).. The 2.0 even on the slower machine was nicer and lass computerlike. The new one seems to choke a bit but only I notice and viewers aren't aware as It is a favorite transition.. I use the Picaso wipe as much as plain fade. I have seen 4000 in a 4000 set up at a sales show and the effects seemed a bit nicer and better animated especially in the "showcase" ones like the Kiki ones. The realtime playback feature of the fulll 400 toaster has serious limitations for my video work that were no better than the limitations I have with DCTV realtime playback sok I used the $ I would have spent on the A4000 on the GVP, more memory and big hd with some change left over for utilitiy software. I made some compromises but I like my setup and the 040/33 is sweet.Video Junky * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] * --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1485 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5) Date: 27 Nov 93 11:24:30 From: Ron Kramer To: Kenneth Gunton Subj: Full frame TBCs without s KG> If you take the preview output of the Toaster and tee it into the KG> genlock of each TBC, everything will be locked up, and it should work KG> even in fast forward or rewind. What kind of TBC do you have? Well actually you should run sync to the 2nd TBC from the sync gen, or at least from the pass thru of the first TBC. But our conversation was using a built in TBC of a V5000 (with no ext. sync ref in) with the toaster. KG> seen the new FE ? Nope, I have DPS units. With you being a dealer of the FE units, please be careful in your posting. A press release (without phone number or ordering information could be allowed though.) if posted as informative to the echo rather then profitable to you or the company you represnet. thanks. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1486 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 26 Nov 93 12:56:22 From: Bill Beogelein To: Rich Koster Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade RK> The +/- keys on the numeric keypad *do* increment animations, RK> framestore images and CG pages. And then by pressing "Enter" RK> on the keypad you can load them to preview. BB> From the switcher's SETUP screen, how do I load a new project without BB> the long, horribly slow mouse-scroll method? RK> Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for animations, RK> framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've actually tried it now RK> since you posted your first message saying it was *not* possible! Did I? Or did I ask about it? Please quote "my 1st msg" where I stated "it was *not* possible". Works fine for me. RK> Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what can be RK> selected from the numeric keypad. More? [Y/n/c] I definitely noticed. That's why I asked. A simple "...but not the projects-menu" would have clarified things. (Still don't know if it's possible, and I'm just overlooking something.) BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel RK> Shift-click still works for RK> me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. RK> I don't know why you can't get it to work. It removes *ToasterPaint* from memory? A SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK? (I can't imagine that I'm doing anything wrong.) I *CAN* remove the CG with a SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK on "CG". But ToasterPaint just stays when I attemp the same on its icon. 14+ other people have also tried this on this same A2000, Old-Toaster-board, v3.0 software, WB2.1 that we are using. 100s of times (we keep thinking about the handy way that this DID work under Toaster v2.0). It's worked 0 times under Toaster v3.0. --- CNet/3 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Amiga ShareWare HeadQuarters 313-473-2020 (1:2410/207) Message Command: !. Message #1488 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 26 Nov 93 12:46:26 From: J Eric Chard To: John Fluharty Subj: Re: Video machine *In a message dated 22 Nov 93 18:14:00 John Fluharty writes: JF> Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts? JF> Change the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his JF> point. Our high school just bought a Video Machine and we would JF> like to talk to aother people that have one. So I find an echo JF> called video which appears to be for video of all types and the JF> moderator keeps telling people they are not allowed to talk about JF> the video machine. Is the toaster that bad that it can't stand a JF> little competition? I thought competition made companys improve JF> products. Sorta like free trade. Open the markets. To bad this JF> subboard is not on video. It is on Amiga Toaster Video only. Can JF> anyone tell me where I can find a Video subbaord that is really a JF> video subboard. Some limitation in tag names apparently. I too would be interested More? [Y/n/c] in such discussions--apparently no such fido echo exists. The moderator here is rigid to the point of ridiculousness--he complains that when this WAS the general-video echo no-one subscribed. Now that he IS getting the discussions he craved he won't allow them. I believe his nose is lying on the floor in front of his feet. Save your flames, all & sundry. *FSED91jSC 1.3d* Modesty Becomes You. Try It More Often. --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1489 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 28 Nov 93 09:35:07 From: Rich Koster To: Bill Beogelein Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi Bill! On Friday, November 26th '93 you wrote to me: BB> RK> Since you are now not disputing that this is possible for BB> RK> animations, framestore images and CG pages, I guess you've BB> RK> actually tried it now since you posted your first message BB> RK> saying it was *not* possible! BB> BB> Did I? Or did I ask about it? Please quote "my 1st msg" where I BB> stated "it was *not* possible". Works fine for me. I apologize. It was J Eric Chard who said that, and then he replied back that what he meant was the numberic + and - keys cannot be used when *saving* framestores, just when loading them. This is true and, I agree, not very convenient. You also cannot use the period key "." to go to the More? [Y/n/c] next unused framestore number like you could in the older system. BB> RK> Notice that I did not include Projects in the above list of what BB> RK> can be selected from the numeric keypad. BB> BB> I definitely noticed. That's why I asked. A simple "...but not the BB> projects-menu" would have clarified things. (Still don't know if it's BB> possible, and I'm just overlooking something.) I'm sorry for jumping on you, Bill. BB> BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload BB> BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel BB> BB> RK> Shift-click still works for BB> RK> me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. BB> RK> I don't know why you can't get it to work. BB> BB> It removes *ToasterPaint* from memory? A SHIFT+LEFT-MOUSE-CLICK? Well, it works fine on the Toaster 4000 in an Amiga 4000, which is the only setup I have to try it out on. Others have said this does *not* More? [Y/n/c] work on an Amiga 2000 running the Toaster 3.0 software, and I believe them, so that sounds like a bug that got away so far. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1490 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 28 Nov 93 14:02:54 From: Dave Wells To: Barb Hamilton Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us *** Quoting Barb Hamilton to Dave Wells dated 11-23-93 *** > Re: the wj-ave5 mixer. It WILL work on the toaster as it has 2 frame > syncs, whereas the MX10 and 12 units have only one. I use my ave5 with > my > toaster all the time. There is a correct way to hook up to access both > sync sources, but it is the only unit (lower end) which CAN be used as > substitute TBCs). > Not having worked with an AVE-5, I was unaware of that. Its good to know, thanks! --- T.A.G. 2.6f2a Beta * Origin: The Music Connection (1:106/1000) Message Command: Message #1491 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Mon 29 Nov 93 2:01 From: Jeff Dehaven To: Terry Mundy Subj: Re: Rumor No- I was referring to mathematical textures for objects- nothing to do with bit map images. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1492 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:54 From: Bill Evans To: John Fluharty Subj: Video machine Re: Video machine > Why is the moderator so hung up on not allowing Video Machine posts? Change > the title of the subboard to Toaster Video and I can see his point. Our high > school just bought a Video Machine and we would like to talk to aother people > that have one. So I find an echo called video which appears to be for video o Because this is the "VIDEO TOASTER" echo, since we're here to talk about the video toaster most of those on the echo would consider the Video machine off topic. Just because it says VIDEO on your BBS doesn't mean that it is the true name of the echo. -bill More? [Y/n/c] --- VFIDO 6.10.05 * Origin: NASAU Beach CBIS (1:373/17) Message Command: Message #1493 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:55 From: Bill Evans To: Alan Chan Subj: Re: ToasterLink Re: Re: ToasterLink > Which reminds me to ask.. has anyone heard of ToasterLink for the 3.0 / 4000 > yet? Ever since I saw the Photoshop in action I've been CRAVING a Mac to tie > into my Toaster... (schwing!) How 'bout file formats? Does Toasterlink conver When I talked to a visiting Newtekian he told me it was being worked on (Newtek doesn't actually write the Mac software) and would eventually be available, since he's going to be here on Thursday, I'll ask him about an availability and post it if he has any idea. -bill --- VFIDO 6.10.05 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: NASAU Beach CBIS (1:373/17) Message Command: Message #1494 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 29 Nov 93 02:37:56 From: Bill Evans To: All Subj: Newtek Rep I've got a representative of Newtek who's going to be at our local store on Thursday to give a seminar on the toaster, anyone who has a question they'd like me to ask, post it here or netmail me at 1:373/17. I'll try to ask them all and maybe get some answers out of him. -bill ps Ron, didn't send the cartridge yet because he promised me some goodies I thought I'd thought I'd include, and I crashed a drive and have been having troubles getting it all back. --- VFIDO 6.10.05 * Origin: NASAU Beach CBIS (1:373/17) Message Command: Message #1495 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 28 Nov 93 04:08:11 From: J. Moore To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on NewTek's RK> back saying that they've done something deliberately... It looks like RK> this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some dire RK> conspiracy. That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others shouldn't be so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy because they report a problem that some don't have. Right? * Q-Blue 0.93 [NR] --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1496 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 28 Nov 93 7:44:52 From: Bill Beogelein To: Alan Chan Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade AC> I'm running an old Toaster board with 3.0 AC> software, and the problem does exist It exists for me on both configurations with an A2000: New T4K board, and new T4K software. Old board, and Toaster v3.0 software. AC> As I posted a day or so ago, I think we're all talking about different AC> software and hardware configurations, which is why we're always arguing AC> little things like these. It is always good to mention version #s and (significant) hardware in use. --- CNet/3 * Origin: Amiga ShareWare HeadQuarters 313-473-2020 (1:2410/207) Message Command: Message #1497 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 28 Nov 93 22:12:18 From: Terry Mundy To: Ron Kramer Subj: Toaster related 4 Sale, OK'd *In a message dated 26 Nov 93 12:32:02 Ron Kramer writes: TM> PS sorry Ron, but am heading for the proper echo! Okay? RK> No problem Tery! - if the items are of interest to video-toaster RK> users (TBCs, VIDEO stuff) then feel free to post them to the toaster RK> users here as well. RK> * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS Thanks Ron, More? [Y/n/c] I think all of us Toaster users are happy to know exactly how you feel about this situation! I may be more apt now than ever to post more items for sale that do relate to toaster A/V. BTW, did you ever get that other DPS TBC going? How is it working out for you? Was it a good investment? Hope so. We all don't have time to mess around trying to get equipment working, would rather spend the time playing with the Toaster. Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1498 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 26 Nov 93 18:49:01 From: Dean Scott To: All Subj: Echo recv'd Orion Point One is now receiving this conference. As a broadcast Toaster user, I'll no doubt become increasingly active on this echo in sharing and receiving tips and tricks in the use of LightWave (mostly) as well as the other apps. Send a note when received. Thanks. DAS ... From Sharp minds come pointy heads. --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: Orion Point One, Davison, MI (1:2240/130.1) Message Command: Message #1499 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 28 Nov 93 14:10:50 From: Sam Kanter To: Jimmy Wright Subj: Re: SAY IT! >well why can we talk... Jimmy, I think some form of _punctuation_ would make your sentences clearer... The subject of politics is considered off limits on this echo, which is specifically for the purpose of discussing the Video Toaster. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1500 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5) Date: 28 Nov 93 22:58:00 From: Terry Mundy To: Kenneth Gunton Subj: TBC without s? Kenneth, I just happened onto your message to Ron Kramer about teeing the Toasters and TBCs. You also mentioned something aboutthe Ferral Micro 4:2:2. Do you have one, and are having problems? Let me know. Terry (816) 796-6228 --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1501 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 5) Date: 28 Nov 93 23:01:09 From: Terry Mundy To: Karl Feltner Subj: Ferral TBC Are you looking for help on the Ferral unit? Let me know. Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1502 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 01 Dec 93 15:28:00 From: Kenneth Gunton To: Terry Mundy Subj: e I don't have one, I have several, because I am their factory rep for this area (Midwest). None of my customers has had problems with their 4:2:2 that I know of. In the response you saw I was trying to get the point across that many Toaster users use the preview out as the genlock source, thereby avoiding purchase of a separate sync generator. Teeing doesn't create any problems due to impedance mismatching because the preview out generally just goes to a monitor. Are you familiar with the 4:2:2 as a user? Have you heard about the Feral Effect compression card for PIP? They're showing one next week at Orlando.l --- Star-Net v1.02 * Origin: ToasterPro BBS. 215-356-7442 14.4 24hrs (1:273/320.0) Message is reply to #1500. Message Command: Message #1503 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 30 Nov 93 06:44:00 From: Bob Lindabury To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: Field Rendering In article 'Field Rendering', Dan Bloomfield(1:3603/2038) wrote: DB>The default setting in the camera menu is with field rendering off. If DB>it is on simply turn it off. Just so people know, if you have the 3.0 Toaster software, you have the ability to turn on Field Rendering for animations. If you are going to videotape, Field Rendering is the ONLY way to go. Any movement near the camera or very fast horizontal movement will be much, much smoother. Now that Lightwave has Field Rendering, I don't ever use the normal frame rendering unless I am doing stills. -- Bob Lindabury (The Raven - SysAdmin) Internet Address: bobl@bobsbox.rent.com The NEW Graphics BBS "It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!" Andy More? [Y/n/c] Meyer 908/469-0049 * 14400 Baud Lines * Free FidoNet/UseNet Access * 24 Hours/7 Days --- EXCELSIOR! BBS v1.16; XMAIL! v1.123 * Origin: The NEW Graphics BBS +1 908/469-0049 (1:107/320.0) Message Command: Message #1504 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 0:16 From: Jeff Dehaven To: Thomas Hollier Subj: Re post your response? Something happened to the board that I get my toaster Feed from- I get a message saying that you responded to my Lightwave textures post, but the message is no where to be found on my end due to HD crash of this BBS- at any rate, could you re-post your message to me? Also- are you the same guy whos name is on the 3D sticker that ships with MotionMan?? --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1505 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 30 Nov 93 20:32:09 From: Barb Hamilton To: Ron Kramer Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than standalone TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box and I am trying to maxamise my $$$. :) --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1506 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 12:39 From: Alan Chan To: Bill Beogelein Subj: Re: 3.0 upgrade In a message dated 28 Nov 93 7:44:52, Bill Beogelein wrote: AC> I'm running an old Toaster board with 3.0 AC> software, and the problem does exist BB> It exists for me on both configurations with an A2000: BB> New T4K board, and new T4K software. BB> Old board, and Toaster v3.0 software. BB> It is always good to mention version #s and (significant) hardware in BB> use. Ya know, a day after I posted that I was on a friend's T4000 system, and noticed that I could not ShiftClick TPaint off either.. weirder and weirder.. More? [Y/n/c] --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1507 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:26 From: Nancy Kowall To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE SK> Nancy, I had a feeling this is what you were doing despite the SK> moderator's claim that this was not what was happening. SK> -I- certainly have no problem with what you are doing, and I've SK> broken the law under certain circumstances myself. In fact, I'd like SK> to see -anyone- here truthfully say that they have -never- illegally SK> copied someone else's software, even for review purposes. If they do SK> say it -- don't believe 'em. SK> --- TBBS v2.1/NM Hey! I didn't say I was DOING it!! I said I was wrestling with the same philosophical dilemna. All I have sold is an extra board (without ANY software)- I still have my original 3.0 software and may or may not sell it. depending on a decision to sell my 2nd Toaster workstation. I have, in fact, turned down a few offers of "trading" a copy of the software. More? [Y/n/c] --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1508 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:30 From: Nancy Kowall To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas MN> manifest MN> itself on my regular Amiga monitor? NK>couldn't be that simple. I empat Another possibility is HEAT! It will really mess up the genlock and live feed depending on what TBC you have (some can be configured to run cooler). I have had to do some fancy configuring to solve the problem on my system. I am going to add an IBM slot "FanCard" with 2 fans that has been recommended as it is too cold to sit in here with the a/c still blasting. There is always the possibility of a bad board- I know several people who have had genlock problems that a new board resolved... --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1509 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Tue 30 Nov 93 15:35 From: Nancy Kowall To: Rob Ribar Subj: Re: Tpaint Shift-Click Bug!!! RR> Can you tell, I too am fed up with Newtek's crap. I've been RR> told 10 different things as to when the update/bug fix is going to RR> come out. Everytime I call up "It'll be out in a couple of weeks!" Well, I bought an original Toaster when they first came out and have been a loyal defender all along BUT I am beginning to feel as you do- anytime I call now (that is, when I can get thru), they don't want to listen to problems and/or offer any suggestions- it is a quick "We'll ship you a new board..." which may or may not solve the problems. They won't admit to any problems, either and they do keep promising an addendum that Mark says isn't in the works. They NEVER call back- even when the "supervisor" is given a special note saying that "they never call back" yet they always promise they will. They need a competent Customer Service department. I do think they have let More? [Y/n/c] the users down. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1510 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 29 Nov 93 10:23:19 From: J Eric Chard To: Ron Kramer Subj: Fido VIDEO divisions rich (?) Do you know 1) Who moderates the "PRO-VIDEO" echo? 2) the pertinant info to give my sysop to get it connected? If it is "ProVideo" does that mean amateurs will not be underfoot? *FSED91jSC 1.3d* Success is making it to the top of the food chain! --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1511 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 29 Nov 93 10:30:08 From: J Eric Chard To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: Toaster vapor-bugs *In a message dated 25 Nov 93 17:53:11 Dan Bloomfield writes: DB> I have the same annoying problem. This may be a bug in the 3.0 DB> software DB> for the 2000. Since you are running the 4000 software and it still DB> works DB> the way it used to. Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't temporarily switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always has before and since. Sweet mystery of life...... *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1512 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 30 Nov 93 19:43:11 From: Paulo De Andrade To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT -> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine -> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote: -> -> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single wire, -> picture -> quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded-processing -> equipment such as the Video Toaster will reduce the number of -> generations of taped signals that can be passed through. There is no -> way to eliminate the loss of picture quality..." -> -> This is what I've been trying to say for a while. It's simple, it's -> true, but some people who don't use Y/C equipment seem to have -> trouble accepting this, especially if it finds fault with the Newtek -> and the Toaster... This is only true if you are not using true broadcast quality More? [Y/n/c] equipment. 1" type C, the top analog video format, is composite only and there is absolutely no problems with it. But if you are using a format like S-VHS, for example, y/c makes a big difference. The main reason is that S-VHS does not have the frequency response to handle the complete video bandwidth. And it's signal to noise ratio, specially chroma, is relatively poor. Therefore, when using composite with S-VHS, the signal suffers more with increasing generations. Keeping the signals separated (y/c), there is less of that loss. True broadcast quality formats, on the other hand, can handle the complete video signal very well and don't suffer from using composite. There is more to it than I mentioned here, but it's very technical and lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't be so bad. But for more than that, y/c can make a pretty good difference in keeping the signal clean. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff176/x] * Origin: *Alki Express BBS - Multi-Node system (1:343/57) Message Command: Message #1513 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Thu 2 Dec 93 8:50 From: Alan Chan To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: Toaster vapor-bugs In a message dated 29 Nov 93 10:30:08, J Eric Chard wrote: JEC> Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't JEC> temporarily JEC> switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always has JEC> before and JEC> since. JEC> Sweet mystery of life...... That happened to me once too.. do you remember what you were doing to get it that way? --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1514 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 03 Dec 93 09:38:08 From: Karl Feltner To: Terry Mundy Subj: Re: Ferral TBC No, I was just making a statement about the results I had trying to find out delivery times for the effects unit. --- Star-Net v1.02 * Origin: ToasterPro BBS. 215-356-7442 14.4 24hrs (1:273/320.0) Message #1515 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 01 Dec 93 00:00:27 From: Terry Mundy To: Jeff Dehaven Subj: Rumor Well, I guess I got my hopes up for nothing then. But it never hurts to dream! Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1516 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 24 Nov 93 19:34:00 From: Ryan Felder To: Sysop Subj: Comment (4) Verify me I'm a sysop. Ryan Felder --- InterPCB 1.52 * Origin: Dallas Remote Imaging Group BBS (1:124;6509) --Satellite Imagery-- Message Command: Message #1517 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 10:12:20 From: Ron Kramer To: Mark Randall Subj: NewTek's commitment forwarded * Original Area: A_Video * Original To : Otis F. Ivie (1:228/500) * Original Subj: NewTek's commitment & Index OFI> Ron, I got my $100 rebate from Newtek not Commodore. OFI> I pointed out to Newtek that all the promotion on this OFI> thing came from them and that they had a OFI> responsibility to get me infomation or the money. I OFI> got a check from them!! Seems like it, I got the coupon from NewTek, but I thought the address it was mailed to was C=. I`m still waiting.... Mark Randall... got anything to advise on this???? More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1518 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 20:27:48 From: Ron Kramer To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT SK> "If you interconnect S-VHS SK> equipment with with a single wire, picture quality SK> will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded- SK> processing equipment such as the Video Toaster will Your almost there... Check it out `if you interconnect *S-VHS* equipment! SVHS and Hi8 use Y/C to as a means to improve their performance over the old 8mm and VHS formats. By using composite connections with those formats some of the quality tweaked out of those formats will be lost. On the other hand. People using superior formats with composite connections will still yield quality superior to the hi8 and SVHS(Y/C) even though they are using composite connections. Proving the lose of quality isn`t the fault of the composite connections. More? [Y/n/c] What we`ve been trying to say is there is MORE TO GOOD VIDEO then Y/C. Even if comparing the same SVHS format... You could shoot SVHS video with a industrial 1 chip camera, and use Y/C to make a dub for multiple generations... bypassing the composite toaster connections and still have inferior video then if you shot your source footage with a quality 3Chip camera with good lighting and *used* the composite/toaster connections to make those same dubs. To sum it up... if your shooting broadcast quality source footage the composite connections aren`t a problem. But if your shooting mediocre source footage then you`ll need to tweak every ounce of signal out of it to get a decent dub, and Y/C becomes more important to you. I`ll take my 3/4 inch composite/toaster dubs over my SVHS Y/C dubs anyday. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1519 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 20:45:18 From: Ron Kramer To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: Video machine JEC> too would be interested JEC> in such discussions--apparently no such fido echo exists. fidonet backbone echo `PRO_VIDEO`. JEC> complains that when this WAS the general-video echo no- JEC> one subscribed. Now JEC> that he IS getting the discussions he craved he won't allow them. I JEC> believe his nose is lying on the floor in front of his feet. That was then, this is now, and we have become another echo. There is PRO_VIDEO for non toaster video topics. I can`t see duplicating posts from that echos topics. Plus the people in here are here for video-toaster topics. I crave video discussions too - but I do it in the proper echos. I also crave discussions of Scuba, photography, etc... So we should do them More? [Y/n/c] here??? The people in this echo who helped create it don`t want to wade through non-toaster messages, and sysops who want toaster talk shouldn`t have to pay $$$ to transfer off topic discussions that you may personally crave. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1520 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 21:00:42 From: Ron Kramer To: Barb Hamilton Subj: RE: Panasonic Video Mixers us BH> That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than standalone BH> TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box BH> and I am trying to maxamise my $$$. :) Yup their cool, I loved my WJMX10 while I had it. But toaster finally took over. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1521 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 21:07:14 From: John Geyer To: All Subj: Toaster/Camera I am using a Toaster with ver 3.0 software. Can I plug multiple cameras into the various outputs without a genlock problem..(cams like panasonic AG450)...Also there used to be ads for hidden features in the Panasonic AG450's I don't remember if they were advertising a book or tape but I sure would like to find a way to slow down the zoom on this sucker as well as any "hidden" features. I you know if this book/tape please call John Geyer 813 332-5366 Collect...Thanks for any help you may offer!!! --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: CSPI-TWO (1:371/1302) Message Command: Message #1522 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 02 Dec 93 07:05:11 From: J. Moore To: All Subj: Toaster bug fix and index I've now heard that the upcoming Newtek stuff will have be not only a bug fix disk but also an INDEX for the manual. Timing? RSN, of course, what else is there in computerdom? * Q-Blue 1.0 [NR] --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1523 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 01 Dec 93 20:40:11 From: Dean Scott To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas? MN> I am not. The Toaster is going into a 1084s monitor's composite in. MN> exit the Toster and try to use the genlock, if I punch up the black MN> background, I get a messed up Toaster screen. I think the problem MN> lies in my power supply. Actually, I strongly think the problem is that IF your Toaster's RGB monitor port ISN'T connected to the monitor (RGB connector), THEN the RGB lines are UNTERMINATED and may be causing the "messed up" screen. For some stupid reason, Commodore decided on passive termination of the RGB signal lines **INSIDE** the monitor. The Toaster gets is source for BLACK from the Amiga RGB, so when these three lines are unterminated, the Toaster BLACK is unstable. We had a big problem with Toaster BLACK _NOT_ being at 7.5 IRE. Instead, BLACK was around 15 IRE which gave it a noticable and unwanted muddy "gray" look. This was somewhat remedied by re- More? [Y/n/c] placing the 1084's 150 ohm RGB termination resistors with 75 ohms. This brought the setup down a little bit to about 10 IRE, enough to help DPaint IV animations keyed through the Genlock Utility to be more closely in line with FCC broadcast standards. Check this simple fix out for yourself and see if it is the problem. (I mean hooking the monitor up to the RGB port, not replacing the terminating resistors ). DAS ... He who dies with the most toys... is still dead! --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: Orion Point One, Davison, MI (1:2240/130.1) Message Command: Message #1524 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 02 Dec 93 14:18:42 From: Sam Kanter To: Barb Hamilton Subj: Re: PANASONIC VIDEO MIXERS US >That is true, Ron, about the quality being a little less than staandalone >TBCs (wj-ave5). However, it also is a nice little standalone effects box Barb, the luminance enhancer should add the extra resolution and luminance to bring it up to par with the lower-end stand-alone or card-type TBCs. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1525 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 14:21:16 From: Sam Kanter To: Nancy Kowall Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >Hey! I didn't say I was DOING it!! I said I was wrestling with the same >philosophical dilemna. All I have sold is an extra board (without ANY OK, you were -wrestling- with the idea of doing it! In any case, I'm not going to make any ethical judgements regarding your ideas or actions...:-) --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1526 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 02 Dec 93 18:54:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Nancy Kowall Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas? NK> Another possibility is HEAT! It will really mess up the genlock and live The tech from NewTek (sounds like a tune from the 60s!) told me to try the same board in another Amiga 2000. I did. Same problem. Airborne Express picked it up about four hours ago and it is on its way to Topeka. I have all the little registration stubs in the front pocket of the manual. The 4th Toaster 4000 card will be here in a few days. I wonder if I have set the record? NK> There is always the possibility of a bad board- I know several people NK> who have had genlock problems that a new board resolved... Here's hoping.... Thanks for the sympathy, Nancy. I do like rendering with an 040 on board. Zoom go the frames! I might actually start learning Lwave one of these days if I ever get the Toaster running for a week straight . I must say that NewTek for all their weirdness and faults, More? [Y/n/c] is the very best computer company I have ever dealt with. They really do stand 100% behind their product. On the other hand, you are absolutely right about the fact that they tend to not want to solve Amiga related problems on the phone (such as the one that I just had). He did ask me if there was a dealer nearby, (there isn't, unfortunately) which suggests they would pay for a dealer to look at a persistent problem. I think that the "just send it in and we'll send another" policy has its good points and bad points. It is tough way to debug a system. Now get this: the machine at work which just got a new motherboard and that is not working correctly so it will have to go back to Software Hut, thus putting that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage that was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with computer hardware problems that many times I wish I had hung on to 3D Studio for my Vesa Local Bus 486-33. It was very fast. The only problem was that at the time I dumped it, the cheapest pro genlock solution was in the neighborhood of $1500. I figured I would really be ahead with the Toaster. What I didn't count on was the flakiness of the old Amiga systems. (And it sounds like you would say the same your new system, unfortunately. I had an Amiga 3000 for a while but I could not get the 040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever since. More? [Y/n/c] If this damn thing would just work for a while, I would feel sooo much better. Hope your system is cool and operating smoothly at present. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1527 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 03 Dec 93 14:18:53 From: Sam Kanter To: Todd Vierling Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >I have 3.0 but I'd be damned if I'd sell it. I'd gladly throw the 2.0 >software out the window, though. ;) Are you a double-up customer? If so, you have the 4000 software which, according to Ron Kramer, is identical to 3.0 software. So you can legally sell your 3.0 software -- Ron, is this not correct? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1528 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 03 Dec 93 14:31:20 From: Sam Kanter To: Paulo De Andrade Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT >lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only >unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles >composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't be so Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO NOT use 1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems -- like me! WE would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and outputs as well as composite -- as much professional and most prosumer equipment (camcorders, TBCs, decks, processing equipment) already has. I don't understand why this concept is so hard to understand? Newtek (for understandable reasons) does not like to discuss this, and people on this echo, including the moderator, say this is not an issue of any importance. Well, maybe it's not important for you, but for many it is. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines More? [Y/n/c] (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1529 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: Fri 3 Dec 93 9:46 From: Alan Chan To: Paulo De Andrade Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT In a message dated 30 Nov 93 19:43:11, Paulo De Andrade wrote: -> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine -> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote: -> -> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single wire, -> picture -> quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire, encoded-processing -> -> This is what I've been trying to say for a while. It's simple, it's -> true, but some people who don't use Y/C equipment seem to have -> trouble accepting this, especially if it finds fault with the Newtek -> and the Toaster... PDA> This is only true if you are not using true broadcast quality PDA> equipment. 1" type C, the top analog video format, is composite only More? [Y/n/c] PDA> and PDA> there is absolutely no problems with it. But if you are using a PDA> format PDA> like S-VHS, for example, y/c makes a big difference. The main reason PDA> is PDA> that S-VHS does not have the frequency response to handle the PDA> complete PDA> video bandwidth. And it's signal to noise ratio, specially chroma, PDA> lengthy. But the point is that the Toaster, being a composite-only PDA> unit, causes no harm to the signal as long as your equipment handles PDA> composite well. And even with S-VHS, a couple of generations won't Diplomatically put! The Toaster is a broadcast-quality tool which also happens to be accessibly priced for (pro)consumer use.. Mags like Video and Videomaker cater to consumers, not to people who do this for a living. I personally find mags like these revolting and occasionally full of misleading information. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail * Origin: Amiga Line BBS (405)733-3013 V32bis (1:147/2020) Message Command: Message #1530 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 06:38:55 From: Rich Koster To: Mike Nielsen Subj: re: Toaster problem-any ideas Hi Mike! On Thursday, December 2nd '93 you wrote to Nancy Kowall: MN> I think that the "just send it in and we'll send another" policy MN> has its good points and bad points. It is tough way to debug a MN> system. They probably do this because of the fact that they have a computerized checking program that goes over all facets of the Toaster board. They most likely have a stack of boards piled up waiting to be checked and debugged, and it is quicker for the user (and better, IMHO) to just get a brand-new board shipped back as soon as they get the old one. --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1531 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 04 Dec 93 06:41:52 From: Rich Koster To: Sam Kanter Subj: re: Y/C AND COMPONENT Hi Sam! On Friday, December 3rd '93 you wrote to Paulo De Andrade: SK> Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO NOT SK> use 1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems -- SK> like me! WE would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and outputs SK> as well as composite -- as much professional and most prosumer equipment SK> (camcorders, TBCs, decks, processing equipment) already has. For these type of people there exists a third-party solution, so NewTek is not under the gone to provide one themselves. Get the Y/C Plus card... it allows TRUE Y/C input and output to/from the Toaster card through connection directly into the guts of the Toaster card (bypassing the standard BNC connectors) and hence the Y/C signals never get converted to composite video. More? [Y/n/c] I reviewed it in the November issue of Video Systems magazine (but it was just a little sidebar box so my name didn't get on the review -- my name did get on the large Toaster 4000 review I did in that same issue, though!) --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1532 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 02 Dec 93 09:34:16 From: J Eric Chard To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT *In a message dated 27 Nov 93 13:46:52 Sam Kanter writes: SK> There was a comprehensive article in this month's A/V Video magazine SK> about component, Y/C, analog, and RGB. I quote: SK> SK> "If you interconnect S-VHS equipment with with a single SK> wire, picture quality will suffer. Introducing single-wire, SK> encoded-processing equipment such as the Video Toaster will reduce SK> the number of generations SK> of taped signals that can be passed through. There is no way to SK> eliminate the loss of picture quality..." No duh. That's why they invented component and psuedo component (y/c) formats. You can get around this by purchasing the y/c adaptors that bypass the composite part of the toaster. Internal video handling in the Toaster More? [Y/n/c] is not composite. DPS makes a good one. BTW, love the gratuitous slam in AV-V. They coulda said the same thing for dozens of switchers, including Grass Valley, but they chose to slam the Toaster. Typical. *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1533 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 02 Dec 93 09:39:14 From: J Eric Chard To: Rob Ribar Subj: *In a message dated 28 Nov 93 15:14:18 Rob Ribar writes: RR> Well, no I don't think it's just the software. I have an RR> A4000 with the VT4000 and I have the bug too. I have to go into RR> ToasterPaint in order to quit it...no shift-click for me. I think even the die-hards will accept the fact now that there is a bug, after dozens have reported it here. RR> Can you tell, I too am fed up with Newtek's crap. I've been RR> told 10 different things as to when the update/bug fix is going to RR> come out. Everytime I call up "It'll be out in a couple of weeks!" RR> So now, it's three months later..and still no fix. So now you feel like an Impulse customer? Or a Microsoft customer? Or a Lotus customer? Or an IBM customer? More? [Y/n/c] Get real. Nobody gets straight answers on software delivery questions. I'm beginning to RR> feel what the rest of you feel about Newtek making promises they RR> can't keep. I've only owned a Toaster for about 6 months and I'm RR> beginning to see it. It's just too bad...Newtek has got a great RR> product and it has great potential, but they really don't support RR> their customers enough. Very few companies supply the exchange services that NewTek does: Federal Express, years after purchase. You may have had a bad experience, but plenty others have had good ones. *FSED91jSC 1.3d* For Sale: Positronic Brain-Found near S.F.-Needs Work --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1534 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 03 Dec 93 23:03:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Don Pope Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade -> I had to send in my T4000 last week... in the meantime I put the old -> board -> and 3.0 software back in my A2000. I don't have this problem of not -> being able to shift-click the Paint program off either (whether it is -> holding a picture or not). So it's not a question of Rich getting -> his to work because he has an A4000/T4000 combination. I can't -> imagine why you and Bill would have this problem. I would still tend to say it is a bug, if some systems have the problem and some don't. I'm not that concerned about it it's just annoying. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1535 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 03 Dec 93 18:43:23 From: Bill Evans To: Nancy Kowall Subj: Re: Newtek Rep Re: Re: Newtek Rep > BE> I've got a representative of Newtek who's going to be at our local > BE> store on > BE> Thursday to give a seminar on the toaster, anyone who has a question > ??????? > Index > Addendum > Missing tutorial objects > extra 'promised' objects > better TECH support/callback > bug fixes > status of 2.0 board for future upgrades > next upgrade: board or SW or both > poor positioning of T_4000 in 4000- heat trap > status of their quality control which appears flawed More? [Y/n/c] > Well I think I got most of your answers (I asked lots of questions :)). An update is going to start shipping RSN, it includes Index, and manual addendums, as well as 6 disks with the missing tutorials stuff several new objects (One from B5 YEAH), more wipes and bug fixes for several things. As for the rest tech support is being reorganized and improved, they won't forget their 2.0 board people in the future (probably offer trade in again is my guess), talked about more future software enhancements so I think next upgrade is software only, positioning in 4000 isn't their fault they have to plug into the video slot, and packaging (that's what you had trouble with in QC right badly packed bo[Cds?) is going to be better/more consistent. -bill --- VFIDO 6.10.05 * Origin: NASAU Beach CBIS (1:373/17) Message Command: Message #1536 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 12:04:50 From: Ron Kramer To: J Eric Chard Subj: Fido VIDEO divisions JEC> rich (?) JEC> Do you know 1) Who moderates the "PRO-VIDEO" echo? JEC> 2) the pertinant info to give my sysop to get it I believe the tag name is PRO_VIDEO (this is what the sysop should turn on) It is moderated by Mark Shandler (I think I got that spelled right) JEC> If it is "ProVideo" does that mean amateurs JEC> will not be underfoot? It is a professional level echo. Don`t know how they determine pro from ameteur level posts. I`m sure PC video is welcome there. --- Maximus 2.00 More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1537 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 12:52:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Scott Pessoni Subj: TBC's SM> The software is good on a PC or Amiga, btw. SP> The only problem is that I don't feel like changeing around software. SP> I am the type of person who is hands on though I will use software if SP> I have too! Well, after having used a couple of standalones, and using the DPS software, I can honestly say that the DPS software is easier to use and is more intuitive than most standalones control knobs are. A great feature is the color balance. Imagine this, you have color bars going into a vector scope, and they seem to be the right amplitude, but are offcenter (i.e. seem shifted down or left etc...) on the vector scope. You have a 3-D screen with a small cursor in it. Grab the cursor and move it with your mouse, and watch the 6 pointed vector scope display follow your mouse! Very nice for adjusting More? [Y/n/c] REALLY screwed up video. Plus, you get ten presets for each of four TBCs, and ten more for every default file you care to make. Makes it very nice. You just set up each TBC to hand each Camera you have in the studio, and if you put a tape from one unit into a particular tape deck, you just click on recall and that deck is set up and ready to go! ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | April Fools! You're really in a holodeck simulation! --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1538 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 12:58:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: John Geyer Subj: Toaster/Camera >I am using a Toaster with ver 3.0 software. Can I plug multiple cameras >into the various outputs without a genlock problem..(cams like panasonic >AG450)...Also there used to be ads for hidden features in the Panasonic >AG450's I don't remember if they were advertising a book or tape but I >sure would like to find a way to slow down the zoom on this sucker as well >as any "hidden" features. I you know if this book/tape please call John >Geyer 813 332-5366 >Collect...Thanks for any help you may offer!!! John, all inputs to the Toaster must be arriving at the same "time" so to speak. That means that they must be synced to each other. If the AG450 accepts sync input, then you are set. I do not believe it does, at least not in its normal form. This means that the first AG-450 could be the sync source for everything else. However, all other cameras would either have to accept sync input or be run through a TBC that was synced to the first AG-450 in order to be More? [Y/n/c] run into the Toaster. Also, the Toaster is VERY sensitive to timing differences caused by things like cable length. Therefore, any deivce plugged into the toaster as input 2, 3, or 4, should be capable of having their S/HC adjusted +/- a certain amount to make them arrive at the EXACT right time. Elsewise, your color will be seriously mangled on inputs 2,3,4 because of the wrong delay. ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | Use the Force, Luke, Don't give in to the DOS side.- ObiWan Ken --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1539 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 13:07:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Subj: I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good single frame deck that doesn't have to pre-roll for every frame. It would be nice if someone could point me in the direction of a single frame Beta-SP deck that does single frame without all the wear and tear of pre-rolling every single frame. Is this even possible? If not, looks like we'll have to look into renting time on a digital disc recorder ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | Cry "Bother!" and let slip the four Poohs of the Apocalypse. --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1540 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 22:55:38 From: Don Pope To: Rich Koster Subj: netmail Hi Rich.... I've been having a lot of trouble lately with fido feeds (got one day's worth all last week), so have changed to point off another board that gets it's feed elsewhere. New address "1:3815/106.2"..... I sent you a netmail message last week - but I have no assurance that it even got out (about setting up decks with my Toaster system). Give me a call (collect is ok) at 918-336-0060. Amigaly, .Don. --- * Origin: BrokenWings (1:3815/106.2) Message Command: Message #1541 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 21:25:01 From: Terry Mundy To: Kenneth Gunton Subj: Micro 4:2:2 Do you have software that is working with the Amiga? I've had a couple of versions, and none work. At ALL. Terry --- MEBBSNet 0.136 * Origin: AAMIGAville*816-796-5954*MEBBS Spt*1.2G*16.8DS (1:280/222.0) Message Command: Message #1542 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 04:39:23 From: Trent Johnson To: All Subj: Fonts Help! Trying to source the fonts which comprise the Plymouth and Dodge automobile company logos. Does anyone out there on the nets know if there are PostScript or Fontbank equivalents to these fonts? I suspect they are custom logo fonts, but who knows... Could also use these two logos in virtually any 3D format: LW, Imagine, 3DS, Wavefront, etc. Any ideas folks? Thanks. Trent K. Johnson ReAnimators Computer Animation Edmonton, Canada More? [Y/n/c] pushing a deadline... --- Star-Net v1.02 * Origin: ToasterPro BBS. 215-356-7442 14.4 24hrs (1:273/320.0) Message Command: Message #1543 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 00:06:00 From: Ken Bouchard To: Ron Kramer Subj: Re: Whats the cheapest Non-Re No Luck. Turns out the one sold in Damark, does not do Capture. Has no ability, as it takes output of your VGA card. Software was all different too. No ability to have the picture in a window, etc.. Totally different card, and the price reflects it. Sure was a very NICE looking picture for standard NTSC off cruddy Cable. A scene featuring some guy in bed with a woman, you could count the chest hairs. Typical television that would be a blur. Best was the way it handled the colors, which meant no red-bleeds, and typical distortions that you get. Alas I sent it back for refund, as I was not interested in it's ability to watch television (already have a 15" color tv that looks almost as good.) ... Sears does not sell thier card, it is only sold as the Packard Bell. I suppose I could try contacting Packard Bell. More? [Y/n/c] Probably find it sells for over 200.00 The dude at Sears guessed it might retail for around $240.00 Oh well, you know what they say about things that look too good to be true. --- DB 1.51/004156 * Origin: Eagle's Haven (1:328/102) Message Command: Message #1544 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 00:08:00 From: Ken Bouchard To: John Fluharty Subj: Re: Video machine I was told that there is one called Pro Video. I plan to get that myself, if it is availible off the BackBone.. --- DB 1.51/004156 * Origin: Eagle's Haven (1:328/102) Message Command: Message #1545 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 00:11:00 From: Ken Bouchard To: Thomas Couey Subj: Re: Amiga I get 10 fps on my 386 DX/25 with the new MPEG movies. Faster if I use a smaller window. This is the Xingit system. Is it allowable to talk about Xing and their $768.00 frame-grabber card which does the Xing MPEG movies? (Here in this echo..) Also is it allowed to talk about "Pro Video Spectrum" which also does similar things, but only costs $350.00 --- DB 1.51/004156 * Origin: Eagle's Haven (1:328/102) Message Command: Message #1546 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 13:31:22 From: Ron Kramer To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE SK> software which, according to Ron Kramer, is identical SK> to 3.0 software. So you can legally sell your 3.0 SK> software -- Ron, is this not correct? Im not sure, someone has said that they couldn`t get the 3.0 software to work with a T4000 installed in a 2000. So who knows. I never installed my 3.0... I got T4000 software with my T4000 card. Got 3.0 software in its own seperate box with its own manual so I sold it seperatly since I had already sold my 2.0 toaster board. I heard they were the same, and only that the T4000 effects and features were eliminated from the 3.0 installation. Once we upgrade to 3.0 there isn`t much stopping people from selling their 2.0 original disks. Is this legal? probably not... will people do it... most likely. With the release of LightRave I assume NewTek will want the older disks turned in when upgrading to new versions. But then that still won`t stop copies of the originals. Its a call each person as to make for themselves... but national echos do not allow posting of the sale of illegal More? [Y/n/c] copies. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1547 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 13:39:28 From: Ron Kramer To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT SK> I don't understand why this concept is so hard to SK> understand? Newtek (for understandable reasons) does SK> not like to discuss this, and people on this echo, SK> including the moderator, say this is not an issue of SK> any importance. Sam, Its not NewTeks fault that you`ve selected a format that requires seperation of chroma and luma to achieve decent quality. Composite connections are not a flaw, they are a fact of everyday life in the world of broadcast quality video. When I was starting out I too was a `S` finatic. I later learned that using `S` connections was far less important for achieving a quality video product then say the video format used, or the quality of the camera the source stock was shot with... or the quality of lighting used to record it. Broadcast in, broadcast out... consumer in, consumer out. More? [Y/n/c] --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1548 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 10:31 From: Dan Mccoy To: All Subj: T4000, 3000 and the POWER LED I just dicovered something about my system yesterday that I wanted to check if anyone else has noticed it. When I had the older Toaster, whever I powered up, reset or called on programs that would enable/disable the audio filter within the Amiga, the power LED would dim (audio filter off). I like to listen to those insane MODs now and then. I upgraded the old Toaster to a T4000 via the upgrade program a month or so ago. At the time, I was also running ZVM, a program that turns my Amiga into an answering machine with a ZyXEL modem. I changed a script so that it'd call LED to alternate the LED from dim to bright when I had a message. I can recall running into cases where I had messages but nothing on the LED. Figuring it to be a quirk and since I wasn't going to be running ZVM anymore, I shrugged it off. Just yesterday, I figured out the problem was, the T4000 hardware itself. Plugged in, the LED during power up is at a constant brightness. Without the T4000, normal operation. So (after the long winded speech), has anyone else out there noticed their More? [Y/n/c] power LED or audio filters can't be enabled/disabled with a T4000 in their machines? I won't mind it so much if it's a common thing. Why I traded in a perfectly working older Toaster is beyond me... Sigh... Have fun, Dan --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail v2.51 * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1549 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 12:28 From: Nancy Kowall To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Re: Toaster problem-any ideas MN> the MN> 040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever MN> since. I did the same thing! I am STILL kicking myself- I kept the 2500_Toaster so my kid could have a more reliable 'game' machine. I shudda been more selfish! (smile) ALtho' I just added the GVP 40 MHz 030 board and it sure is zippy. (My TrumpCardPro finally died (good riddance) and I traded in my 26030 (CMBs)- got $150 and paid $1800 about a year ago (loud OUCH!) --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail v2.51 * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1550 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: Sun 5 Dec 93 12:33 From: Nancy Kowall To: Rich Koster Subj: re: Toaster problem-any ideas RK> They RK> most likely have a stack of boards piled up waiting to be checked and RK> debugged, and it is quicker for the user (and better, IMHO) to just RK> get a brand-new board shipped back as soon as they get the old one. That's true but when there is system and/or compatibility problem and all they want to do is send another board, it doesn't help very much. In the old days, they would stay on the phone and help you go thru your system- not any more. --- DLG Pro v1.0/DLGMail v2.51 * Origin: Mike's Video House - Glendale, CA 818-240-1593 (1:102/852) Message Command: Message #1551 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 10:12:23 From: Dwight Jones To: Ryan Felder Subj: COMMENT (4) > Verify me I'm a sysop. OK, you're a certified Sysop. I also perform shotgun marriages and can even consummate the union. /=) --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: Photon BBS - Vancouver, B.C. - (604) 687-1030 USR DS (1:153/7050) Message Command: Message #1552 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 03 Dec 93 11:28:10 From: J Eric Chard To: J. Moore Subj: Re: re: 3.0 upgrade *In a message dated 28 Nov 93 04:08:11 J. Moore writes: JM> RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on JM> NewTek's JM> RK> back saying that they've done something deliberately... It JM> looks like JM> RK> this one is just a bug that didn't get squashed yet, not some JM> dire JM> RK> conspiracy. JM> JM> That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others shouldn't JM> be JM> so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy because they report JM> a JM> problem that some don't have. JM> More? [Y/n/c] JM> Right? Hah. Good one. You'd think Richy was sleeping with Kiki, he's so quick to defend NewTek's honor. Yo Rich, the interface is lame! And if you don't like my opinion (and my facts) , there's a beach and a hammer waiting for you. *FSED91jSC 1.3d* What a big Dongle, Vicar! --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1553 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 04 Dec 93 21:10:11 From: Grant Cormier To: Scott Pessoni Subj: GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good *@SUBJECT:GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good... N Hi Scott, I noticed that GVP was showing off their new TBC+ at WOCA Toronto, and it seems really neat, 4:2:2, Frame Grabbing, Y/C support, etc... I can post more details once I get a chance to play with it some more tommorow at the show... Grant Cormier -LineLink 14.4e, BUG, TAZA, 3DAFI, & ADF \|/ Q-Blue 1:229/15, ->118, grant.cormier@canrem.com Amiga 1200 @ @ #274 ----------------------------------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo------ * Q-Blue 1.0 --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1554 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 01:05:11 From: Hammed Malik To: J. Moore Subj: Toaster bug fix and index Hello Jim, JM>I've now heard that the upcoming Newtek stuff will have be not only a JM>bug fix disk but also an INDEX for the manual. Timing? RSN, of JM>course, what else is there in computerdom? I've heard that the upgrade will be shipping in a week or so. Its more like 6 disks and apparently NT is calling it upgrade V3.1. It will be available through dealers but only after providing proof of ownership of the VideoToaster. Free to registered V3.0/T4000 owners and approx $700 to V2.0 owners. Manual has been redone. Also more features in the CG (gradient filled text etc). HM --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'e' * Origin: CRS Online, Toronto, Ontario (1:229/15) Message Command: Message #1555 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 09:06:48 From: Barb Hamilton To: Don Pope Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Don, I believe there may exist different versions of 3.0 software for the 2000 board. MY version of the 3.0 software has the same shift-click no unload Toasterpaint as several others have. --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1556 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 09:12:53 From: Barb Hamilton To: Rob Ribar Subj: RE: SFC I have a Personal SFC which I will sell, if you want it. I bought it hoping to get a SF VTR but budget will not allow it. The software looks very nice, but I have never used it. However, people I know who have say it is very good. --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1557 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 3) Date: 05 Dec 93 09:18:37 From: Barb Hamilton To: Mike Nielsen Subj: RE: Toaster problem-any ideas I had the same problem you are describing with one of my toaster systems. The Problem was SOLVED by replacing the Fat Agnus in the machine. Perhaps this may be of help to you, as it was driving me crazy. Also, believe it or not, some libraries seem to cause that. I missed a couple when I did my 2.1 form 1.3 upgrade, because I re-installed some stuff, and when I went back and re-installed the new 2.1 upgrade again, the problem when away. --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1558 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 03 Dec 93 13:11:12 From: Rick Mallia To: All Subj: WEN JK 1461 hello all! someone sold me the above WEN monitor with the above model number (JK1461) and he tells me it is a SVGA with 1024 x 768 ... he says he doesn't know anything else about it... please someone help me get some more specs on this monitor... i am in desparate need! --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Telcom Central (1:135/23) Message Command: Message #1559 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 05 Dec 93 14:12:00 From: Scott Marlowe To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas >Now get this: >the machine at work which just got a new motherboard and that is not >working correctly so it will have to go back to Software Hut, thus putting >that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage that >was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left >on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with WAIT!!!! Don't send it back. That is a common problems with A2000s. I'm assuming that's what you have if you are having these problems. A large number of A2000s left the factory with a jumper set wrong. It is the one RIGHT next to the Agnus chip. It used to be used to tell the Agnus to come up in NTSC or PAL. Now it tells it to come up in 1 Meg or 2 Meg address modes. Yours is probably set wrong. If I remember correctly, you need to REMOVE the jumper to make it work. Much better than sending it back. More? [Y/n/c] ** UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY - PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHAREWARE CONCEPT ** --- | AmiQWK 2.1 | "Oh bother" said Pooh, "Beavis & Butthead are roasting Piglet!" --- DlgQWK v0.71a/DLGMail * Origin: CYBERMIGA! Boulder, Colorado (303)939-9923 (1:104/121) Message Command: Message #1560 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 11:41:11 From: Paulo De Andrade To: Sam Kanter Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT @ORIGIN :3376 N -> Agreed. But this is no help to the thousands of Toaster users who DO -> NOT use 1" composite systems, and DO use low and high end Y/C systems -> -- like me! WE would like the Toaster to have TRUE Y/C inputs and -> outputs as well as composite -- as much professional and most -> prosumer equipment (camcorders, TBCs, decks, processing equipment) -> already has. While I still defend the good quality of the Toaster composite signal, I agree with you that NewTek should offer more options. I would gain from that, too, if the offered MII/Betacam component. I guess the video switcher market will eventually force them to do that. The Opal Vision switcher, for example, offers composite, y/c and MII/Betacam component. And it exists! I saw it working at Siggraph and was given a personal demonstration. The Matrox Studio and the Video Machine, both for the PC, also handle multiple types of video signal. More? [Y/n/c] And the best PC switcher I've seen - The Hotronic AQ21 - also offers composite and y/c. BTW, this is not only a great unit for non-Toaster users but also a great addition to any Toaster system. It has video quality that is even better than the Toaster's and does perfect compression! Comes with two high quality TBCs and optional highly effective dropout compensators. It doesn't come with a CG, paint program or 3D rendering software. But the quality of the video signal and transitions is outstanding - and it is fully programmable. At $4,000 for the package with all the options, it is a very good deal. -> I don't understand why this concept is so hard to understand? Newtek -> (for understandable reasons) does not like to discuss this, and -> people on this echo, including the moderator, say this is not an -> issue of any importance. Well, maybe it's not important for you, but -> for many it is. Don't get me wrong. I only sais that there is nothing wrong with composite video itself. And there isn't. But I was clear to point out that for y/c equipment it would cause loss of signal quality over multiple generations. I understand that there is a very high percentage of Toaster users More? [Y/n/c] working with S-VHS equipment and, believe me, if I ran NewTek, I'd have come out with component ins/outs a long time ago! If most of your edits involve only one generation or two, don't worry too much about the loss caused by the lack of y/c, though. It is not going to be that critical. And if you are really concearned, there are a few products on the market that take care of adding y/c connections for you - like Y/C Plus (which was developed by Toaster engineers) - and do a very good job. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff176/x] * Origin: *Alki Express BBS - Multi-Node system (1:343/57) Message Command: Message #1561 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 28 Nov 93 23:16:16 From: J Eric Chard To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: Re: No Upgrade *In a message dated 25 Nov 93 17:58:11 Dan Bloomfield writes: DB> I do keep hearing rumours though of a Toaster upgrade in January. You DB> heard anything? Not me. I just assume all of Allen's time is going straight into the Toaster. Maybe a bug fix. I really have no clue. January would make it almost a year, wouldn't it? *FSED91jSC 1.3d* My wallet's cache is disabled. --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1562 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 10:13:27 From: J Eric Chard To: Alan Chan Subj: Lightwave Alt-view bug *In a message dated Thu 2 Dec 93 8:50 Alan Chan writes: AC> In a message dated 29 Nov 93 10:30:08, J Eric Chard wrote: AC> AC> JEC> Ahhhh, intermittants! The other day LWave wouldn't AC> JEC> temporarily AC> JEC> switch to VIEW EDIT when I held down the ALT key. It always AC> has before and since. AC> JEC> Sweet mystery of life...... AC> AC> That happened to me once too.. do you remember what you were doing AC> to get it that way? Nope. If I did, I'd report it. More? [Y/n/c] *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1563 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 10:44:09 From: J Eric Chard To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: Re: Field Rendering *In a message dated 01 Dec 93 22:43:11 Dan Bloomfield writes: DB> The original post was concerning stills which is why I advised DB> turning it off. For slowly moving objects and or stationary ones field DB> rendering DB> is a waste of time. For objects that are moving rapidly or are near ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just to make sure our studio audience understands, I'm sure Dan meant this metaphorically, as I've found no rendering penalty in using field rendering. Back to you , Dan! *FSED91jSC 1.3d* I'm not tense, just terribly alert! --- Star-Net v1.02a * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1564 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 10:53:05 From: J Eric Chard To: Rob Ribar Subj: Re: SFC *In a message dated 2 Dec 93 18:49:22 Rob Ribar writes: RR> Ok, I'm looking into the Personal SFC to output some LW RR> framestore to tape. I want to know all of your opinions on it. RR> I've used it before, and I overall I like it, but I wanted to know RR> if some of the other SFC products out there are better and are they RR> worth the money? I think $250 to $300 for the Personal SFC is RR> pretty good for the money. Please leave some comments, because as RR> soon as I get some extra money, this is what I'm going with. If you can't afford a PAR, the PSFC is a great way to go. Works very nicely, and they just upgraded their software. *FSED91j* --- Star-Net v1.02a More? [Y/n/c] * Origin: Bermuda Triangle HST/DS 600megs 206-771-8420 (1:343/53.0) Message Command: Message #1565 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 08:19:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Dean Scott Subj: Toaster problem-any ideas? MN> I am not. The Toaster is going into a 1084s monitor's composite in. MN> exit the Toster and try to use the genlock, if I punch up the black MN> background, I get a messed up Toaster screen. I think the problem MN> lies in my power supply. DS> Actually, I strongly think the problem is that IF your Toaster's DS> RGB monitor port ISN'T connected to the monitor (RGB connector), DS> THEN the RGB lines are UNTERMINATED and may be causing the "messed That was a good bet, but not the answer. I think what may have happened was that I had a bad power supply and the system some how got screwed up during my attempts to fix it. I eventually got a 300watt bigfoot and a replacement Toaster and for right now, everything seems to be working correctly. Time will tell. I am not totally confident in the motherboard that I have in there, but I can't isolate the problem. At the moment, everything is okay. Thanks for the response. More? [Y/n/c] DS> ... He who dies with the most toys... is still dead! Xclnt tag line ^^^^^^^^ ! Kinda Buddhist in tone. ...The Zen is Mightier than the Ford. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1566 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 17:03:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Barb Hamilton Subj: RE: Toaster problem-any ideas BH> systems. The Problem was SOLVED by replacing the Fat Agnus in the BH> machine. Perhaps this may be of help to you, as it was driving me crazy. Well, I have the Megachip upgrade and I did spend some time on the phone with the DKB tech guy but the result was kind of inconclusive. I have since replaced the power supply and the Toaster and for the moment everything is working perfectly. I knew that there was some problem with the PS because when I tapped it, the problem became more acute. BH> Also, believe it or not, some libraries seem to cause that. I missed a BH> couple when I did my 2.1 form 1.3 upgrade, because I re-installed some BH> stuff, and when I went back and re-installed the new 2.1 upgrade again, BH> the problem when away. I don't think this is it. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks for the response. I think the primary was the PS and then everything else that went More? [Y/n/c] wrong was due to my fidgeting with the pots on the Toaster board (the NewTek tech should never have told a bozo like me about adjusting those--the sum total of tv engineering brain cells would fill a thimble with room left over for my drool as I attempt to repair my own Toaster :-P --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1567 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 21:21:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Scott Marlowe Subj: Pre-roll -> I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good single frame deck that -> doesn't have to pre-roll for every frame. It would be nice if -> someone could point me in the direction of a single frame -> Beta-SP deck that does single frame without all the wear and -> tear of pre-rolling every single frame. -> -> Is this even possible? If not, looks like we'll have to look -> into renting time on a digital disc recorder All tape decks have to pre-roll before an edit due to the fact that the mechanisim needs a finite amount of time to get up to proper speed. Check out the DPS PAR instead. You can play your animations in real time to any kind of deck with no more wear on the deck than any normal insert edit. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1568 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 12:06:00 From: David Swoboda To: Rich Koster Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade -=> Quoting Rich Koster to Bill Beogelein <=- BB> JEC> What Topeka "genius"... BB> BB> ... removed the SHIFT-CLICK from the switcher that used to unload BB> ToasterPaint from memory? We now have to enter ToasterPaint, cancel the BB> picture re-displaying, and quit ToasterPaint in order to remove it from BB> memory. RK> I have no idea *what* you are talking about. Shift-click still works RK> for me on my Toaster 4000 as it has on earlier Toasters I've used. I RK> don't know why you can't get it to work. Of the four Toaster systems that I use, one of them, an A2000 with T2000 and v3.0 VT and 12MB RAM also WILL NOT unload TPAint with a shift-click. This system has a GVP 040 installed. I have problems saving saving FREEZE frames More? [Y/n/c] and get lots of horizontal lines in images. Last week NewTek told me they are close to releasing a PATCH just for the GVP 040 users. Perhaps these symptoms are related??? Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang. It's FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first update v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new note. Chow. David Swoboda. ... I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1569 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 16:50:14 From: Ron Kramer To: Rob Ribar Subj: shift/click tpaint RR> Well, no I don't think it's just the software. I have an RR> A4000 with the VT4000 and I have the bug too. I have to go into RR> ToasterPaint in order to quit it...no shift-click for me. Might have something to do with your machine configuration. I tried it to make sure... and it works fine on my 040 4000 w/T4000 toaster. Quit and shift/click on the Tpaint icon both removed it from memory. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1570 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 16:55:18 From: Ron Kramer To: David Swoboda Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade DS> doorbell rang. It's DS> FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first update DS> v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new note. DS> Chow. WELL WELL WELL???? How do you rate with FedX service? Fill us in. --- Maximus 2.00 * Origin: Moderator -official LW/Toaster BBS 616-791-2109 HST/DS (1:228/13) Message Command: Message #1571 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 05 Dec 93 20:33:07 From: Dean Scott To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: LW user On (01 Dec 93) Dan Bloomfield wrote to Dean Scott... DB> Message recieved. Always happy to hear from another LightWave user. So, tell me for what and how you are using LW. What version? What's the neatest effect you've designed?... your typical time/frame render?... longest sequence (frames)?... animation medium (S-VHS, 3/4, etc)?... max objects in a sequence?... object types? DAS ... He who dies with the most toys... is still dead! --- PPoint 1.70 * Origin: Orion Point One, Davison, MI (1:2240/130.1) More? [Y/n/c] Message Command: Message #1572 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 07 Dec 93 03:44:11 From: Dave Holt To: All Subj: Graphics Yo and Hey. I need iff graphics of hockey teams and mostly thier logo's. Anybody have any please. Thanks. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff228/c] * Origin: Lightning System III - Stateline, Nv. (1:203/36) Message Command: Message #1573 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 07 Dec 93 23:45:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: Field Rendering -> Just to make sure our studio audience understands, I'm sure -> Dan -> meant this metaphorically, as I've found no rendering penalty in -> using field rendering. Back to you , Dan! I haven't made an extensive study of it but it seemed to me there was a rendering time penalty to using field rendering. I could be wrong but I remember checking it when I first got 3.0. I'll check it again to make sure. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1574 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 07 Dec 93 23:53:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: Dean Scott Subj: LW user -> So, tell me for what and how you are using LW. What version? What's -> the neatest effect you've designed?... your typical time/frame -> render?... longest sequence (frames)?... animation medium (S-VHS, -> 3/4, etc)?... max objects in a sequence?... object types? I do LW for industrial videos and broadcast commercials. The people who've seen my reel seem to like the open I did for the Dick Howser award banquet (the college baseball equivalent of the Heisman), where a baseball pops through the roof of the Florida Suncoast Dome and then morphs into the award. Typical render times on an 040 with version 3.0 can run anywhere from a minute to twenty minutes. All my animations until now have been on 3/4 but the place I'm at now has Betacam SP. I don't recall max objects but it was probably about 40 or so. --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1575 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 08 Dec 93 00:11:11 From: Dan Bloomfield To: All Subj: 2000 Toaster I was considering purchasing a used 2000 and was wondering what a good price would be for the following system? 2000 with PPS 040 with 16 megs and Trump card controller 2 meg chip ram 100 meg hd 88 meg Syquest internal Toaster 2000 Is $4000 too high for this system in today's market? --- FidoPCB v1.4 beta * Origin: Mercury Opus * 10 Gigs/1200 Confs * 813-321-0734 (1:3603/20) Message Command: Message #1576 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 07:39:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Scott Marlowe Subj: Bad MB or Agnus? SM> >that Toaster out of commission for some time. It has screen garbage SM> that SM> >was there the moment I booted it up. Funny kind of residual stuff left SM> >on the workbench screen when I close windows. I am so burned out with SM> WAIT!!!! Don't send it back. That is a common problems with A2000s. SM> I'm assuming that's what you have if you are having these problems. SM> A large number of A2000s left the factory with a jumper set wrong. Well that's just great. The tech from Software Hut sent me a new Agnus to see if that might help. I will try your solution first. Amazingly enough, my own Toaster is finally up and running. I have been dumping Ham anims to tape for the last two hours in prep for editing a short PSA for my students: A: This is your mind V: black screen A: This is finals week V: Lens flare shot of headlights approaching at a high rate of speed. More? [Y/n/c] A: This is your mind during finals week V: spiral star warp shot A: Your mind: Don't take a final without it. V: fade to black. So it is off to the edit room I go. Hi Ho Hi Ho. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1577 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 17:00:34 From: Scott Pessoni To: Scott Marlowe Subj: TBC's SM> The software is good on a PC or Amiga, btw. SP> The only problem is that I don't feel like changeing around software. SP> I am the type of person who is hands on though I will use software if SP> I have too! SM> Well, after having used a couple of standalones, and using the DPS SM> software, I can honestly say that the DPS software is easier to use SM> and is more intuitive than most standalones control knobs are. SM> A great feature is the color balance. Imagine this, you have color SM> bars going into a vector scope, and they seem to be the right SM> amplitude, but are offcenter (i.e. seem shifted down or left etc...) SM> on the vector scope. You have a 3-D screen with a small cursor in it. SM> Grab the cursor and move it with your mouse, and watch the 6 pointed SM> vector scope display follow your mouse! Very nice for adjusting More? [Y/n/c] SM> REALLY screwed up video. So you can move the vector scope points? That's nifty! SM> Plus, you get ten presets for each of four TBCs, and ten more for SM> every default file you care to make. Makes it very nice. You just SM> set up each TBC to hand each Camera you have in the studio, and if SM> you put a tape from one unit into a particular tape deck, you just SM> click on recall and that deck is set up and ready to go! That is helpfull.. But what happens if you are in a tight amount of time and insted of tweeking the colors a bit with a controler you have to go all the way over to that software. And if it still doesn't look right you have to do it all over agein! Accualuy the more I think about it I like both the software and external controler. I guess I will buy a external contoler with it. -Scott --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Treasure Island =HST/DS= 203-791-8532 (1:141/730) Message Command: Message #1578 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 09:31:01 From: Rich Koster To: David Swoboda Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi David! On Monday, December 6th '93 you wrote to me: DS> Of the four Toaster systems that I use, one of them, an A2000 with T2000 DS> and v3.0 VT and 12MB RAM also WILL NOT unload TPAint with a shift-click. DS> This system has a GVP 040 installed. I have problems saving saving DS> FREEZE frames and get lots of horizontal lines in images. Last week DS> NewTek told me they are close to releasing a PATCH just for the GVP 040 DS> users. Perhaps these symptoms are related??? Sounds like you've got something there. DS> Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang. DS> It's FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first DS> update v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new More? [Y/n/c] DS> note. Chow. Looking forward to it, David! --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1579 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 09:42:29 From: Rich Koster To: Don Pope Subj: re: netmail Hi Don! On Saturday, December 4th '93 you wrote to me: DP> Hi Rich.... DP> I've been having a lot of trouble lately with fido feeds (got one DP> day's worth all last week), so have changed to point off another board DP> that gets it's feed elsewhere. New address "1:3815/106.2"..... I sent DP> you a netmail message last week - but I have no assurance that it even DP> got out (about setting up decks with my Toaster system). Give me a call DP> (collect is ok) at 918-336-0060. I didn't have that much great advice, so instead of costing you long distance money I've instead re-sent my reply via netmail to your new Fidonet address, Don. :) More? [Y/n/c] --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1580 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 10:38:48 From: Rich Koster To: J Eric Chard Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade Hi J! On Friday, December 3rd '93 you wrote to J. Moore: JEC> *In a message dated 28 Nov 93 04:08:11 J. Moore writes: JEC> JEC> JM> RK> Maybe some people like JEC should not be so quick to jump on JEC> JM> RK> NewTek's back saying that they've done something deliberately JEC> JM> RK> ... It looks like this one is just a bug that didn't get JEC> JM> RK> squashed yet, not some dire conspiracy. JEC> JM> JEC> JM> That's true. Perhaps it would also be good if some others JEC> JM> shouldn't be so quick to strongly imply that others are crazy JEC> JM> because they report a problem that some don't have. JEC> JM> JEC> JM> Right? More? [Y/n/c] JEC> JEC> Hah. Good one. Yes it was! But I notice that you didn't see anything wrong in the way that *YOU* were quick to think it was a conspiracy rather than a bug! ;) JEC> You'd think Richy was sleeping with Kiki, he's so quick to defend JEC> NewTek's honor. Actually, I much prefer the previous spokesmodel, Laura Longfellow. I've never prefered Kiki to Laura, even after seeing Kiki "in the flesh"... ;) JEC> Yo Rich, the interface is lame! And if you don't like my opinion JEC> (and my facts) , there's a beach and a hammer waiting for you. I have no problem with the fact that your opinion differs from mine. What I found odd is that you thought there was some dire conspiracy apparently directed at you, at least in your own mind. ;) --- April V0.994fRegBeta+ * Origin: Rich's MandeVilla by the Sea, Mandeville, LA (1:390/5.10) Message Command: Message #1581 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 06 Dec 93 12:41:01 From: Don Thompson To: All Subj: Video Toaster I'm interested in beginning a small production company for local cable, public access. I have a 386 33/mhz currently running a bulletin board service. I would like to know the cost of a video toaster, and what other equipment would be necessary. A list with estimated pricing would be nice... Thanks in advance... --- Superbbs * Origin: Timbuktu BBS Stanton Pascal's Hangout (1:103/597) Message Command: Message #1582 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 8 Dec 93 12:29:11 From: Jim Mixon To: Trent Johnson Subj: Re: Fonts TJ> Help! Trying to source the fonts which comprise the Plymouth and Dodge TJ> automobile company logos. Does anyone out there on the nets know if TJ> there TJ> are PostScript or Fontbank equivalents to these fonts? TJ> I suspect they are custom logo fonts, but who knows... TJ> Could also use these two logos in virtually any 3D format: LW, TJ> Imagine, TJ> 3DS, Wavefront, etc. TJ> Any ideas folks? Hi Trent, Send me the JPEG'd logo's and I will make the lwob's for you..... More? [Y/n/c] Jim Mixon Media Zone BBS * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] * --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.3, XQwk Mail Door v.95q [REG 10014] * Origin: Toaster Universe BBS [305]821-0455 16.8K Dual Standard (1:135/355) Message Command: Message #1583 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 18:51:45 From: Otis F. Ivie To: Grant Cormier Subj: GVP's new TBC+ Looks Good not that new! We had it at WOC Pasedena!! --- Xenolink 1.0 Z.4w7 * Origin: Mouse Trap * Serving Amigas Since 1987 * 619-464-2134 (1:202/122) Message Command: Message #1584 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 17:37:31 From: Barb Hamilton To: Dan Bloomfield Subj: RE: 2000 Toaster *I* think it is. I have what I think is more value for the buck and about 1/2 the price. If you are interested in details, leave me e-mail. --- BBX/FidoX 0.64b * Origin: CrossRoads BBX: All ZyXEL +s! (916)383-2263/8937/1503 (1:203/2263) Message Command: Message #1585 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 23:29:05 From: Sam Kanter To: Ron Kramer Subj: Re: TOASTER 3.0 SALE >Im not sure, someone has said that they couldn`t get the 3.0 software to work >with a T4000 installed in a 2000. So who knows. I never instaled my 3.0... I >got T4000 software with my T4000 card. Got 3.0 software in its own seperate Well, I know the Software that comes with the Toaster 4000 will not work in a Amiga 2000 -- only the 3.0 software will. It seems 3.0 won't work with a T4000 at all, even in a A20000. Are you saying that it's legal to sell your old version if you are upgraded to another version, but illegal to sell it if you have not? I think we're entering the Twilight Zone of software ethics -- and it's beginning to seem silly to me. By the way, do you think it's wrong to make a copy of software for your wife for her own computer? I'm sure no one here More? [Y/n/c] would do that -- they'd just go out and buy another copy -- right? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1586 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 23:37:07 From: Sam Kanter To: Ron Kramer Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT >Sam, Its not NewTeks fault that you`ve selected a format that requires >seperation of chroma and luma to achieve decent quality. Composite connections Ron, I'm sure Newtek would like to market it's product to the widest range of users possible. The reason that the Toaster is not Y/C is that Y/C was not much being used while the Toaster was being developed. At this point it would be difficult to redesign for Y/C. Instead of being honest about this, they just say that the issue of Y/C is "irrelevant". The main reason that I, and others, use Hi-8 and S-VHS equipment is -economic-, not some arbitrary, poorly thought-out choice. Obviously a 1" system would be higher quality, and would not have the Y/C incompatibility, but would cost about ten times as much! --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines More? [Y/n/c] (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1587 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 15:02:00 From: Sam Kanter To: All Subj: TOASTER CG SHAKIES When I use the Toaster CG to scroll text at the -slowest- speed (the only speed that is readable for long text entries), the text shakes and quivers quite a bit. I assume this is some NTSC artifact that can't be helped. Is there any way around this problem? --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1588 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 15:08:27 From: Sam Kanter To: Ron Kramer Subj: Re: Y/C AND COMPONENT >quality video. When I was starting out I too was a `S` finatic. I later >learned that using `S` connections was far less important for achieving a >quality video product then say the video format used, or the quality of the camera the source stock was shot with... or the quality of lighting used to Ron although I've received three grants from the National Endowment for the Arts for my video work, I still don't make that much money at it, and it's not my main source of income (I'm also a musician/composer and have huge equipment expenses for my -music- studio gear). Is there a way I could upgrade formats for a comparable cost to my S-VHS system? (I doubt it...) --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Staten Island Sys-Link/TBBS/TIMS (718)966-7651 4-Lines (1:2603/3000) Message Command: Message #1589 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 08 Dec 93 19:16:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: Nancy Kowall Subj: Parallel universes MN> the MN> 040 accelerator for it so I sold it. I have regretted that ever MN> since. NK> I did the same thing! I am STILL kicking myself- I kept the 2500_Toaster NK> so my kid could have a more reliable 'game' machine. I shudda been more NK> selfish! (smile) ALtho' I just added the GVP 40 MHz 030 board and it NK> sure is zippy. (My TrumpCardPro finally died (good riddance) and I NK> traded in my 26030 (CMBs)- got $150 and paid $1800 about a year ago NK> (loud OUCH!) I called Creative back in August and they just happened to have a Zeus for the A3000 in stock with 8 megs installed. Unfortunately, they wanted $1600 for it and at the time, following the $500 blow out price, I felt it was a rip. I could kick myself now. I got $900 for my memory-heavy A3000. More? [Y/n/c] Agree about the Trumpcard Pro. Just pulled mine out and replaced it with the dull but effective A2091. Now it is controlling a 150 meg external full-height pig and two internal drives with no hassle. The Trumpcard might be a techno marvel but setting it up is no picnic. I prefer the reliable HD Toolbox of Workbench 2.1. So right now, to quote Reagan, "in this shining moment" I actually have my Toaster running, I have about 600 megs of storage, 18 megs of fast ram, 2 megs of chip ram. Can it last? I just got my Personal Component y/c adapter back from DPS. I figure the minute I hook it up to the Toaster, the whole system should blow up. Working with this stuff means never having to say you have a zero balance on your credit card. --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1590 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 08 Dec 93 19:37:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: All Subj: Toaster Paint Arexx? How the hell do you get those Arexx routines for Toaster Paint to work? I see them in the drawer in my Toaster/Arexx_Examples directory, but I have no clue how to get them to work... They look interesting. Can anyone help me? --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1591 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 4) Date: 08 Dec 93 19:40:00 From: Mike Nielsen To: David Swoboda Subj: 3.0 upgrade DS> Hold the phone... Before I could upload this message my doorbell rang. DS> It's FedX with a package from NewTek. Looks like I just got my first DS> update v3.1 2000 Update. It's 6 disks. After I install I'll post a new DS> note. Chow. Where is mine???? I am green with envy! You are apparently the first kid on the block to get this. Do you live in Topeka or what??? --- * Origin: Theorem Beach, Viola, DE (1:2600/140) Message Command: Message #1592 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 08:48:17 From: Don Pope To: J Eric Chard Subj: Re: In a message of <02-Dec-93 09:39:14> J Eric Chard (1:343/53) wrote: JEC> I think even the die-hards will accept the fact now that JEC> there is a bug, after dozens have reported it here. The die-hards do accept that there is a problem. Several have reported the problem. On the other hand, several have reported no such problem (even on A2000s). Given such, it may be that the machine itself (or perhaps the specific Toaster board) may be where the problem lies. I think that has to be explored before dismissing it as a software bug. Trouble-shooting requires a thorough examination of all possibilities. I don't think those that have had this problem have bothered to check these other possibilies - it is, after all, at most, a minor inconvenience and probably not worth the hassle. I just want to point out that on some A2000s running 3.0, the shift-click problem does not exist - so, if a user is serious about the "bug", it would seem to be possible to have it eliminated, one way or More? [Y/n/c] another. Amigaly, .Don. --- * Origin: BrokenWings (1:3815/106.2) Message Command: Message #1593 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 2) Date: 07 Dec 93 09:02:04 From: Don Pope To: Barb Hamilton Subj: re: 3.0 upgrade In a message of <05-Dec-93 09:06:48> Barb Hamilton (1:203/2263) wrote: BH> Don, I believe there may exist different versions of 3.0 software for BH> the 2000 board. MY version of the 3.0 software has the same BH> shift-click no unload Toasterpaint as several others have. Well, I did wait until August to get mine. I had to be hit over the head by attending a Stranahan seminar to realize that I had to get the upgrade ASAP!!! :) Perhaps that is the problem... but I still am betting on some hardware/software conflict between the Toaster and 2000 of the affected users. I.E., although others could use the CG with one meg Chip RAM, I couldn't even get it loaded until I got 2M - then, no problems at all. Could have been my motherboard rev., or any number of other problems - but it wasn't the Toaster or its software (although I reinstalled the software a number of times because I thought it might be :)). More? [Y/n/c] Amigaly, .Don. --- * Origin: BrokenWings (1:3815/106.2) Message Command: Message #1594 "TOASTER_VIDEO" (Read: 1) Date: 10 Dec 93 19:28:29 From: Karl Feltner To: Mike Nielsen Subj: Re: Toaster Paint Arexx? copy the scripts to your REXX directory. Boot up the toaster, if the script involves tpaint boot that. Exit the toaster and execute the rexx script. The sample scripts are ok, but nothing to write home about. --- Star-Net v1.02 * Origin: ToasterPro BBS. 215-356-7442 14.4 24hrs (1:273/320.0) Message is reply to #1590.